the early afternoon eastman e-mails pence's counsel. and then this e-mail you're talking about at 9:00 p.m., the eastman e-mail to pence's counsel urging that pence not certify the results then. what's amazing is that by 9:00 p.m. it was clear how much danger the whole pence family was in. has eastman said anything since seeing with his own eyes how harrowing the pence family escape was from where they were in the capitol, phil? >> you know, i don't believe that eastman has commented on the pences' jeopardy or sort of the emotions, the dangers of that day. if he has, i just haven't seen it. but it's worth pointing out that eastman has confirmed to our colleagues in the process of investigating this piece the details of those e-mails that you just mentioned, the early afternoon one and then the 9:00 p.m. one. so he's owned up to that. but i have not heard any sort of conciliatory comment from eastman about the danger of the vice president. >> and just to stipulate, i think carol makes the perfect point, that mike pence was no, you know,

john eastman, michael kerik. they're all afraid to tell the truth under oath. we've seen that with jeffrey clark the doj official who last week started hiding and steve bannon before that. i think it's good news, we've finally gotten the long awaited john eastman subpoena, which only raises the question is john eastman a bad enough lawyer to rely on and trust steve bannon a second time and his advice? you know, eastman last week said that he couldn't even remember who told him to write the coup memo. i mean, come on, a coup memo. if the guy couldn't remember last week, i don't think he's going to remember all of a sudden with the congressional subpoena. so i unfortunately think this is also something that will go to federal court and to the merrick garland justice department for criminal enforcement. >> just to underscore, neal, in all your time with doj, you were never asked to author a coup memo. >> no, it turns out i don't think anyone in 200 plus years has been. you know, and that just demonstrates just how absurd this is. the idea that this man stood in th

you had john eastman, you talked about the eastman memo.player in laying out this entire scenario, mcfarland, to his michael flynn's deputy at the national security council, she's part of this team that's laying out how law enforcement aided by pro trump law enforcement, and your regular posse's of proud boys, would win the 2020 election in the streets. and i think that's why this bears much more scrutiny that it's gotten. >> kristen, who wrote this up, you can find it online. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> ahead, the conservative fury over giant yellow are just trying to do his job. whatever feels about the tangible consequences of the right-wing messages on covid. that's. nextt-wing messages on covid that's next i've been telling everyone... the secret to great teeth is having healthy gums. crest advanced gum restore. detoxifies below the gumline... and restores by helping heal gums in as little as 7 days. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. there are roughly speaking, two kinds of messaging that americans are getting on cov

you had john eastman. you talked about the eastman memo.tire scenario. kt mcfarland michael flynn's deputy at the national security council, she is part of the team laying out again how law enforcement aided by pro trump law enforcement and irregular posses of proud boys would win the 2020 election in the streets. i think that is why this bears much more scrutiny than it has gotten. >> find it online. thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> ahead the conservative fury over giant yellow bird just trying to do his job. what it reveals about the tangible consequences of the right wing messaging on covid, next. when you hear, cough cough sneeze sneeze. [ sneezing ] it's time for, plop plop fizz fizz. alka seltzer plus cold relief. dissolves quickly. instantly ready to start working. so you can bounce back fast with alka-seltzer plus. (vo) wildfires have reached historic levels. as fires keep raging, the need to replant trees keeps growing. so subaru is growing our commitment to protect the environment. in partnership with the national forest fou

does this further underscore the need for eastman to testify?yeah, i think eastman's testimony is incredibly important. he's emerged as a central figure in this and only in the last few weeks even though it's been ten months since the insurrection, have we come to understand reporting from other information, how important he was. not just the thing you just mentioned. with respect to the conversation on january 2nd. it's come to light that as violence was already happening and as all these people worried about massively increased violence in the city, locking down the city potentially, john eastman was apparently communicating with the lawyer for mike pence while pence was being protected in a safe zone in the capitol, e-mailing pence and his lawyer to say even though this is all happening, he should still desert fi some of those states and turn the election to trump. so i think everyone has a right to hear what john eastman has to say and i hope we get his testimony, absolutely. s >> jeffrey, our new reporting plus the extensive reporting by "t

eastman provides it.eme court is will john eastman be able to claim executive privilege protection in this situation? he has been speaking publicly to reporters in recent weeks, and this document memorialized his own memo, has been reported publicly. so, will he be able somehow to avoid testimony? he may try to prevent it for the time being, but that may go all the way to the high court. >> i want to read to you something that is going to need a little contextualizing, tim miller, and this is sort of the mythology and we'll get to tucker carlson in a moment. we started there with liz cheney's remarks but the bulwark has some great reporting on what amounts to sort of a coup war game, i guess, is the most generous way to describe the intellectual aspect of the undertaking. this is from the bulwark's reporting. notes on an authoritarian conspiracy inside the claremont institute's 79 days to inauguration report. this is sort of a fictionalized scenario produced by the claremont institute. the sunrises on jan

whom president trump urged to listen to eastman. he says it's legal, he says you can do it. ultimately, the vice president decides based on the legal advice he is getting that no, he couldn't just throw out the votes. meanwhile, i believe it was senator lee who had come have taken it on himself to call the election officials in some of the states and learned that none of the states was going to toss out its electors anyhow. but bob woodward, talk a bit about pence and how you came to view him after your reporting. was he resolute throughout this crisis? was he tempted perhaps to see what he could do to satisfy the president he had served so loyally four years? and how should we end up seeing him based on what you guys find out? >> it's complicated and multidimensional. pence wanted to accommodate trump because pence knew that if something could be worked out here he might be able to stay as vice president. it was so obvious, i mean, there are the scenes where, with which we can report for the first time where trump and pence are in the oval office and trump is saying to him,

why john eastman is so interesting and so important to the committee.hat it has to do with pressure, the pressure campaign from the white house to not only the vice president, but also involving the department of justice as well. and so they look at it in that bucket in addition to pressuring election officials and t just t public statement that there was a real campaign involving the department of justice to overturn the election results, hallie. >> in the 30 or 40 seconds we have left, betsy, give you the final question on this. the open question now, as you all alluded to, who cooperates? who plays ball? how much do they talk? and how d resistant are they to talking? that's where this story goes next. >> one thingy people should kn about the way congressional subpoenas worke is that there a wide variety of different types of responses people can have. some people stiff arm the probes and can't nothing to do with them. but there is a weird category of people who actually kind of want what is often referred to colloquially as friendly subpoenas. people

eastman by the end of this week. we're joined by former acting u.s. solicitor general neal katyal and an msnbc legal analyst. it's baroque and weird and unhinged, you know, as an american i'll say thank goodness things weren't worse. so it looks now almost just sort of whacky. if pence had gotten further hurt, which is what the trump fans said they wanted, that would look rather different. what, if anything, do you read into all this? >> i think it's more than whacky. it's potentially treasonous or close to it. if you've ever been annoyed by an ill-timed email that you get at work, just remember you don't ever have to swat john eastman out of your inbox in the midst of an armed riot. eastman wrote an article saying that kamala harris was ineligible to serve as vice president because her parents were immigrants. and between that and his now eastman's pence memo, i'm pretty sure that this guy just stays up at night making up random things that a vice president can and can't do. i mean, what's next? he's going to write a memo saying the vice president ca

one thing that jumps out to me is john eastman.mo explaining how trump should try to maneuver within the law, or i would argue outside the law to steal this election. that seems to be where the january 6th committee is really aiming. >> some of these folks, i'm thinking of michael flynn, some of the other names, are not known as the most cooperative. what happens if they don't show up? >> these are people very close. michael flynn and bernard carrick received pardons. this is a group that's going to be loyal to trump, ready to put up a fight with the committee. if that happens, the committee needs to be ready to act quickly to go down the same road we've seen with steve bannon and jeffrey clark. vote for contempt in the committee. send it to the full house and over to the justice department for a potential criminal prosecution for contempt of congress. >> it's been 2 1/2 weeks since the bannon referral went over and still we've not heard from ag garland. so would you have expected to hear something there and what does this portend

given that information, you can see why investigators would want to hear from eastman. only time will tell if any of the former president's allies will actually choose loyalty to democracy. i wouldn't hold my breath. bennie thompson is weighing criminal context charges for the ex-trump era man jeffrey clark. it may seem like progress is moving at a snail's pace for the committee's investigation, there's actually fresh evidence indicating that things are moving faster than we might think. the ranking republican member on the committee, liz cheney, says, quote, members of the house panel investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol have interviewed more than 150 people so far. joining me now is betsy woodrough swan. good morning. what are you hearing about what's happening next on this committee? >> what we are keeping an eye out for is whether or not thompson issues a subpoena of john eastman, who you described earlier, who is a key figure here. of course, one other key plot that we saw unfold last week was jeff clark, who you showed on screen, saying that he woul

. >> let's talk about the john eastman memo.ction when you first heard about it? >> just breathtaking that you would have laid out such a clear game plan that so clearly violated the constitution. >> the eastman memo detailed a six-step plan for pence to throw the election to trump during the january 6th certification. it also called for pence to throw out all electors from seven states. and gavel president trump as reelected. eastman has since publicly tried to downplay his memo and his role in attempting a coup, but he told a very different story in recent undercover video from a progressive activist. >> so giuliani and me met with 300 legislators on january 2nd via a zoom conference call. and they all spinelessly wouldn't do anything. >> and in appearances in past right wing media. >> are we to assume that this is going to be a climactic battle that will take place this week? >> it depends on the spine of the individuals involved. >> would that be a nice way to say a guy name d vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> this level

you mentioned john eastman and trump's outside lawyer had sent.o what's necessary. there was another e-mail, a number of e-mails sent, another one sent around 8:00 p.m., after pence went back to the floor and after the bloodshed that everyone saw played out on national television where eastman sent another e-mail to jacob asking him to dispute the electoral certification because he argued in this e-mail that pence violated the electoral count act because the debate had gone longer in two hours so pence could do his duty of what he owed to trump and try to halt the electoral certification and send things back to the states legislatures. there were astounding e-mails happening again and eastman mocked to us on the phone confirming a number of e-mails he sent out on this violent day of america's history. >> wow, jackie, thank you very much for your reporting on that. >> elise has a question. jump in. >> jackie, this is gotten so out of control by this point. what are you hearing from people like eastman that are going to be probably implicated if the

who could have it been that you can't recall and tell us what eastman said in the memo versus what eastmante is that eastman and trump on stage on january 6, they called for pence quite publicly to not count the votes to flout the federal law governing the counting and delay it and gives the states seven to ten days to investigate the voting machines an changing votes so who was pushing this idea that pence had the ultimately authority, someone say the near dictatorial and declare trump the winner or toss the election of the house. so eastman now tells me this is not a viable strategy and it is crazy to think it would have been viable because republicans just won't have held firm and that is i think that is obviously correct. liz cheney is the sole vote for wyoming. in wisconsin only two of the eight objected to electoral college votes. so to would have never gotten there in the first place. no one knows what would have happened if pence tried to claim authority to try to do either of these things. one said the supreme court may have weighed in and the senate may have overruled pence and p

eastman? . >> those slates of electors aren valid. president, as presiding over the joint session, would at least agree because those ongoing contests have not been resolved, we can't count those electors. >> why is that significant? . >> it's significant for a couple reasons. number one, it eliminates the timeline. anything that eliminates the timeline to january 6th is important. it's important, two, because john eastman, in a number of statements, particularly with the national review, that was the most prominent, in recent days said what i wrote on paper, i didn't believe in any of that. i didn't think this was a practical way to do it. one of the things that happened in the lead-up to january 6th, eastman was telling pence's people, and he was telling the president and people around the president, pence can reject these results. then when it became clear that was not going to happen and other legal scholars didn't think this was realistic, they started switching it to, send it back to the states. they tried to suggest the first t

you said eastman is having a hard time finding a lawyer.is body of his conduct the reason why? >> there is a thing about eastman that is hard to explain and debind. but it is like talking -- when you talk to him, talking to someone that is really on a different planet and speaks a different language. he really believe has the election, there was massive voter fraud. he has dedicated himself to trying to uncover this in the aftermath here either through suits that he is bringing or following up on investigative tips. he told me he wanted to write a book about this. he really -- and even after we ran the story, you know was, you know -- you know, was angry or disappointed at us for not acknowledging the fraud claims, and for the fact that the fraud that -- you know, we say there was no widespread fraud that changed the election. that's how he sees the world. and it's a very different thing than i have really ever found in my reporting because it's such a different type of reality. and here's someone who is a college professor, someone who had

also subpoenaed, attorney john eastman who drafted that six point plan to have mike pence invalidate the election results and michael flynn, trump's national security adviser who discussed invoking martial law after the election. >> if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election. >> now that the committee has issued subpoenas, the big question, will these folks comply? will they take a page from the playbook of steve bannon, the trump adviser who has refused to testify and the justice department has yet to decide, they had three week, they have yet to decide whether to charge and prosecute him for criminal contempt. >> joining us now is bob woodward, associate editor at "the washington post," co-author of the new book "peril" which chronicles the fraught transition of power from donald trump to joe biden. you bring some new information as well, i know that as we were looking at these subpoenas, let's talk specifically about john eastman, the attorney with that six-point plan at first. tell us what you disco

we learned even more this week about eastman.fted by a top pence aide who got an email from eastman while he and the vice president were hiding at the capitol. because you and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way, you allowed this to happen. east man sent the email as pence, who had been presiding over the senate was hiding in a secure area. any news when eastman will be subpoenaed by this committee? >> we expect it could come in a matter of days or weeks. but there is no set time line yet. it is expected sooner than later. you are right. this is another moment -- this email was set when images of what was happening a the capitol were being broadcast to tvs across the nation and the world. rioters the broken the perimeter of the capitol, they had started overrunning the premises, bashing capitol police officers with american flags, escalating the violence, particular kicking them when they were down, using their own tasers on them. extraordinary displace. while this is happening we hav

when i asked john eastman about the email, when he said everyone is under siege because of your boss' say that mike pence was running for his hilif. that's some of the listeanguage sources had run by us. 8:00 p.m. on the day of the insurrection, after the violence, after vice president pence had retaken the senate floor to preside over the electoral certification, and people had died because of the insurrection, john eastman said, by the way, you can still do this. you've already violated the electoral count act by having debate go over 2 hours, so it is nullified. you now have the constitutional authority to go ahead and send this back to the state legislatures. >> amazing. he asked, what would james madison do? we also know he asked, what would dan quayle do? >> right, exactly. >> he consulted with dan quayle. >> when in doubt, call dan quayle. >> and james madison. >> you'll get an answer more quickly than if you ask james madison. jackie, terrific reporting. join jake tapper for a special report, "trumping democracy, an american coup," friday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. >>> s

that were at the willard hotel running the command center, people like mayor rudy giuliani, john eastman, bernie karrick, they were simply thely ahsans in

flynn, december 6th, eastman december 8th, miller december 10th, bill december 13th. it -- there is no indicator they're actually going to compile with the subpoenas that. are we looking at a situation where the committee on a rolling pay sis is going to be voting on and sending to the floor of the house contempt citations or resolutions against these people? >> jonathan, at a minimum, if these men and women defy congressional subpoenas that, let's hope that congress votes them in contempt and refers them for prosecution where the law says the appropriate u.s. attorney, that would be the d.c. u.s. attorney shall present the matter to the grand jury for its action. here we are on day, i believe, 18 of the bannon indictment watch. we've heard nothing. we don't know if they have already presented the matter to the grand jury. they're awaiting the grand jury's decision. i would urge even beyond referring these witnesses for criminal contempt in the event they defy subpoenas that, i hope congress will also consider using its lawful tool of inherent contempt. representative

attorney john eastman was one of the six subpoenaed. he is the author of the infamous and utterly false legal memo claiming that vice president mike pence had the authority to reject electoral college votes. angela mccallum, who worked in the trump 2020 campaign was subpoenaed to testify about her part in attempting to steal the election. the evidence of her attempts to commit election fraud were actually left on voice mail. >> my name is angela mccallum. i'm calling from trump campaign headquarters in washington, d.c. tomorrow, as you might be aware, mayor giuliani will be presenting experts and witnesses from michigan who will be able to show that the vote totals are fatally flawed and do not accurately represent the will of the voters as well as your constituents. you do have the power to reclaim your authority and send us a slate of electors that will support president trump and vice president pence. we want to though when there is a resolution in the house to appoint electors for trump if the president can count on you to join in s

is about a eastman memo a plan. when we discovered this document we discovered this was a plan that was in action in early january. the story the committee is trying to piece together clearly by interviewing people in the state is to figure out who was going to be a touch point for trump as he tried to execute the plan on january 5th, 6th. and in the days after should there have been a delay on the certification. if there is a crime here it could be to defraud the united states of criminal conspiracy. jackie made an excellent point about the lack of a big fish. so far we have not seen a john dean type of figure to acknowledge a criminal conspiracy. in that vacuum, the committee has work to do. is there a conspiracy respond the willard war room? what about trump talking to people in the states? we know he was leaning on lawmakers at the state and federal level. >> michael, i want to go over the tea leaves that we are reading, about the judge that's looking at the release of the president's documents. i want to read f

. >> can i talk to him about john eastman? blueprint for how mike pence could overturn the election on january 6th that mike pence did not follow on january 6th, he is the president's lawyer or at the center of a lot of what happened on the insurrection. he gave an interview to steve bannon on january 2nd, four days before the insurrection, that's revealing. let's listen. >> is there an alternative way you see the power through this using either the electoral control act or some decision that made that the vice president of the united states grows a spine and understands his constitutional duty as you interpret it, mr. eastman? >> those slates of selectors are invalid. those states would at least agree because the ongoing contests have not been resolved, we can't count those electors. >> what do you think of that? >> it's shameful. he in recent weeks has gone back, eastman said well i wasn't saying the election should be overturned. he couldn't have been clearer in that interview that he was saying the vice president should no

just listen to eastman speaking to steve bannon on january 2nd. bannon warning of a climactic battle if pence didn't step up and refuse to certify the election results. >> are we to assume that this is going to be a climactic battle that's going to take place this week about the very question of the constitutionality of the electoral count act of 1877? >> i think a lot of that depends on the courage and the spine of the individuals involved. >> that would be a nice way to say a guy named mike -- vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> climactic battle. and here's flynn. he met with trump at the white house in the weeks before january 6th pushing the former president to invoke martial law to overturn the election. these conversations weren't all behind closed doors. i mean, here's flynn in public. >> he could order the -- the -- um -- within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election in each of those states. i mean, it's not unprecedented. i mean, ther

john eastman is in the oval.n the oval but bannon's ally is. one important point about it's not just bannon, it's trump. one thing we kept finding in our reporting for the book it's trump driving this. watching tv, that's like the an iceberg, he was driving it with bannon, with giuliani and pence trying to pressure pence, pressure lawmakers on capitol hill. bannon is part of the story but not the story. the story is the president was driving this to defy biden, to block biden from taking power. at the end of the day, if this is a conspiracy it's trump at the top not bannon. >> we need to go to break, but i want to ask you, bob, and michael smith and you, john lemire because of your knowledge of this in the white house at the end of the day the question is i understand joe biden wants to get along with everybody. i understand merrick garland doesn't want to be going after political opponents. will the justice department have the courage to follow the law? >> well, they have set in motion the quest for more and mor

eastman fires back very quickly. says, quote, the siege is because you and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired -- to -- in -- in a public way, so the american people can see for themselves what happened. these are, again, the words of a lawyer who has kind of given -- since -- obviously, since this came to light, erin, that he has said, you know, this -- his notes and his -- his memos were being misunderstood. you can see now from his own words, what he thought that day. >> right. right. i mean, you know, he said what he said on the day he said it at the time he said it with what we all knew was going on at that moment. thank you so much, everyone. >>> and next, the lawyer representing the assistant director who's been accused of handing alec baldwin the loaded gun speaks out. >> it states that my client grabbed the gun off of a prop cart and handed it to baldwin. that absolutely did not happen. >>> and southwest airlines investigating a pilot accused of saying let's go, brandon. what th

then, there is john eastman, the president's attorney who put together that memo which amount today a step-by-step guide to the former president sparking a coup. >> and all we are demanding of vice president pence is this afternoon at 1:00, he let the legislatures of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it and the american people know whether we have control of the direction of our government or not. [ cheers and applause ] >> rudy giuliani applauding him on. that was eastman at the rally leading up to the insurrection laying out the essence of a memo that would only come to light months later, and might never have seen the light of day had the scheme actually succeeded. now, the select committee wants to know more. the question, though, is will they get it from him? or any of the other five? or any of the others they have subpoenaed? tonight, it's hard to see how. on friday, former-justice department official jeffrey clark, whom the former president wanted to take over the justice department, appeared before the committee but refused to speak until the question of exec

eastman now. cnn's k-kyle over the weekend dug this up.our days before if the 6th would be a climatic battle in the fight to keep trump in power shepard i think a lot of that depends on the courage and spine of the individuals involved shepard that would be a nice way to say that a guy named vice president mike pence shepard yes shepard when you add it all up and kudos to "the post" for incredibly depaid reporting about that day. 187 minutes, the president of the united states doing nothing while his inner circle was saying sir, sir, sir, 187 minutes shepard it's remarkable, but also it was remarkable at the moment. we knew a lot of contours of this at the time and in the days afterwards the president's lack of action, but to see the death tails, to see these e-mails actually written out just drives it home so much more and just makes clear the extent to which this was premeditated and the extent to which this was reckless endangerment frankly of everybody on the capitol shepard so you were both at the capitol that day. you were at risk as

eastman has since tried to publicly downplay it.er video from a progressive activist. >> 300 legislators on january 2nd, and they all and he didn't do anything. >> and appearances in past right wing media. >> are we to assume that this is going to be a climactic battle that's going to take place this week? >> i think that depends on the spine of those involved. >> would you be -- that's a nice way to say a guy like mike pence? >> yes. >> this level of corruption can't be allowed to stand. i think that makes the exercise of the vice president's power here very compelling. >> it's quite dangerous. it is a blueprint for how to ignore the vote of the people that would have cast aside all the legal foundations on which the country and the democracy is based. >> the foundations are laid out in the u.s. constitution, specific section i article 2. state electors made a list of who they voted for. it's signed and sealed and sent. the president of the senate, who is the vice president, opens all the certificates in front of the house and sena

angela part of legislatures and bernie in the willard hotel war room with rudy giuliani and john eastman the day before the insurrection. what was going on? six key players added to the growing list of the former president's insider's target by the january 6th committee. they know a whole lot. but the question is will they cooperate or will they stone wall like steve bannon? that is happening as president joe biden's approval rating is upside down in our brand-new cnn poll. take a look at your screen now. 58% say that he's not focused on the right issues. and the issue the american people care about the most, that's the economy. by far. remember, it's the economy, stupid. still is. you see it in the polls. you saw it in last week's ele election. people care about soaring gas and energy prices right now that's what they care about and it's going to take time to feel the effects of the $1.2 trillion or trillion bucks for infa structure. republicans are facing a moment of truth right now will a disgraced twice impeached former president be their standard? >> the answer is people are in the

eastman and kirik participated in the world room meeting.age memo for the trump's team where he claims former vice president had the authority to stop the vote. steve bannon who the house voted to hold in contempt after he refused to testify. the decision over whether to bring charges against bannon now sits with attorney general merrick garland. nbc news reached out to the six individuals subpoenaed yesterday for responses but has heard back yet. >> i don't think they will. >> bob, you and woodward both sketched this out beautifully and got a lot of people really focused on it. we have learned more since then and ins your reporting came out, there is been a flood of information coming out. what have we learned since your book about january 6th? >> we have learned a few things but we have so much more. when we were going around and knocking on doors, we have a note pad and pen in hands. what does congress have? they have subpoena power. if no one respects subpoenas and testify before the house, we reported that trump was calling into the wil

john eastman we talked about a lot.flynn was in this meeting on december 18th at the white house, accompanied by sydney powell, who was working in some capacity president trump campaign as a lawyer at that point, of the apparatuses seizing the voting machines and rerunning the election. you're deal winning a broad group of people. it's not tied to one event. there were many different prongs. this wasn't just a meeting the night before january 6th. they'd hit a benchmark, and a deadline would pass. they'd move to another thing. trump had various irons and fires and one of the people who knew what was going on. >> one thing they have in common is none of them worked for the government at the time. legally, as i understand it, none of them have a remote claim to refuse to testify under executive privilege. but they can delay things in court if they want to tie things up. that's what this goal seems to be here. and you have the simultaneous situation of the justice department dithering on steve bannon. you know, steve banno

john eastman, he was actually an attorney who helped craft trump's argument that the election was stolen. also mike flynn, a former trump administration official who was also involved in a meeting about how the trump campaign wanted to promote the lie that the election was stolen. angela mccollum, an executive assistant and bernard carrick, centered around trying to overturn the election results. now all six of these individuals have been asked to hand over documents by november 23rd and then they have depositions scheduled from the end of november to mid december, but wolf, it's just not clear if any of these people are going to participate. what we've seen so far is that the committee has had some difficulty getting meaningful cooperation from trump administration officials who they have subpoenaed and we saw just last week, former trump justice department official, jeffrey clark, he did show up for his interview, but he completely stone walled the committee. he cited ongoing litigation between the committee and trump and privilege concerns and of course, this is the first round of sub

john eastman is one of the president's attorneys that the committee wants to talk to. he wrote the memo and was the one essentially pushing the vice president saying you have this power. the power doesn't exist but eastman was pushing the president to say, nope, we won't take the electors from arizona or georgia. we won't take the electors from pennsylvania. eastman telling this "the national review." someone in the legal time. i just don't recall. by a phone conversation and i go back in my phone records and i have so many calls. i can't tell you, you know, which call it was so anybody who thinks that's a available strategy is crazy, so he's running away from his own advice which might be the smart thing to do in the terms of public conversation, but that's why the committee need to get him under oath with all of his documents to figure out how he built this cockamamy legal argument and who else was involved. >> that's completely right, and they really want to know who directed him and told him to do those things and, phil, to your point, really what the committee wan

eastman and kerik participated in the so-called war room meetings near the white house.y plotted the investigation on the electoral college votes. and it was claimed mike pence had the authority to block the votes. the january 6th committee previously issued subpoenas for top advisers including steve bannon who the house voted to hold in contempt after he refused to testify. the decision whether to file charges against bannon is up to merrick garland. in his new book "betrayal: the final act of the trump show" carlson reports on the conversation he had with trump. he told mcdaniel he was leaving the gop and creating his own political party and he didn't care if the move would destroy the republican party. trump reportedly told mcdaniel, this is what they deserve for not sticking up for me. it was made clear if trump would follow through with his threat, they would immediately stop paying his legal bills, but the rnc threatened to value his campaign worthless. trump generated money by renting a list out to candidates at a steep cost. officials estimate it was worth about

john eastman has a job with the claremont institute. fact that they haven't fired that man tells you about that institute. we need to start arresting people. i am telling you right now, if we do not start showing consequences to the coup, then a failed coup is a practice run. what you are going to see is it's going to happen two ways. indep number one, there will be a physical bump, overthrow of the government or it's going to be one that's going to be done by legal means such as, you know, voter disenfranchisement, you know, overturning the votes of, you know, certain counties to make sure that, you know, candidates like donald trump or other candidates like that win. we are not taking this serious enough now. we are nearly at defcon 5 and no one is really, you know, look at this serious. >> talk to your party. >> they don't listen to me anymore. >> we are talking about things that are really serious. i mean that. i said it over and over on this program. the only party operating in reality and our democracy is going to be saved, it's g

among them, form are national security adviser michael flynn, conservative lawyer john eastman and former new york city police commissioner bernard kerik, closely tied to rudy giuliani. eastman and kerik are believed to have attended meetings at the command center, a posh suite at the willard hotel where a block from the white house "the washington post" reports trump's most loyal lieutenants were working day and night with one goal in mind, overturning the results of the 2020 election. the committee also sent subpoenas to three members of the trump reelection campaign, campaign manager bill stepan, senior advisor jason miller and the executive assistant angela mccallum. mccallum apparently made calls to michigan lawmakers in december of 2020 urging them to override the state's votes and appoint more loyal electors. >> we want to know when there's a resolution in the house to appoint electors for trump, if the president can count on you to join in support. >> the committee wants these six witnesses to provide documents before thanksgiving and appear in person for testimony in early decemb

that were the results of popular elections in arizona and pennsylvania and georgia. >> reporter: eastmanto distance himself from that plan, but cnn uncovered a radio interview just days before the insurrection where eastman claimed pence did have the power to throw out the electoral college votes if he had the spine. >> i think a lot of that depends on the courage and the spine of the individuals involved. >> that would be a nice way to say a guy named vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> reporter: this comes as the "washington post" published a series on the attack revealing that mark milley, the chairman of the can joint chiefs of staff suggested locking down the city. acting secretary christoffer said there would be an altercation and hindered its ability to track threats by switching the monitoring service a week before the attack. on thursday a judge will hear arguments on trump's claim of executive privilege. raised in the case are untested by the courts. and even if trump does not ultimately win this case, if he can convince the judge to at least delay handing over these document

the committee also wants to hear from john eastman. the conservative lawyer who authored the memo outlining fringe legal theorys about former vice president mike pence's authority to overturn election results as part of a pressure campaign. >> we know there was fraud, traditional fraud that occurred. we know that dead people voted. >> reporter: and former new york city police commissioner bernard kerik, all four of them, stepien, miller, eastman and kerik among those gathered at a d.c. hotel for what is described as a war room to overturn the election. kerik already warning that he does not plan to comply. i will not be threatened, intimidated, forced into bankruptcy or silenced at the hands of this committee who are not looking for truth but targeting patriots and members of the president's legal team that wanted nothing more to investigate and expose those irregularities. kerik said in a statement. his confrontational tone an example of the difficult time the committee is having getting trump allies to cooperate. their ability to get

they include attorney john eastman and former national security adviser michael flynn.lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >>> aaa predicts thanksgiving travel is about to bounce back in a big way. more than 53 million americans are expected to be on the move. that's a 13% increase from last year and just 5% below pre-pandemic 2019 levels. >>> some senate democrats calling on president biden to tap the nation's emergency oil stockpile to keep gas prices down. on sunday the energy secretary told cnn the president is considering the move after major oil producers declined to increase output. >>> pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization from the fda for the coronavirus booster shot. right now boosters are technically only approved for adults with underlying health conditions and those who work in high-risk areas. >>> the trading platform robinhood confirms it was hit by a data breach exposing the personal information of millions of customers. it says no social security or bank account numbers were exposed. >>> state farm standing by packers quarterback aaron rodgers

and unbelievably, eastman blames the violence on pence's refuse l to overturn the election. saying this siege is because you and your boss did not do what was necessary. yesterday "the washington post" released a comprehensive investigative report on the genesis and aftermath of the insurrection. it uncovered a cascade of previously undisclosed warnings that preceded the attack warning trump was the driving force at every turn. among other things the post says as early as september 26th last year, trump was aware that congress could play a pivotal role in deciding the outcome of the election. >> i don't want to go back to congress, either. even though we have an advantage if we go back to congress. does everyone understand that? i think it's 26-22 or something because it's counted one vote per state. >> it was just three days later trump told the proud boys to stand back and stand by but wasn't just right wing militia. the post reports researchers watched out trump's election lies radicalized his supporters in realtime and when trump turned his focus to the joint session of

most notably, this eastman memo like in particular who asked john eastman to write this memo, and when it, what did they say, how did they react and john eastman famously said he couldn't remember who asked him to write the memo which is just ludicrous on its face. both of us owe lawyers. any client who asked us to write a memo on a boring thing like bankruptcy, we're going to remember let alone a coup memo which is what this was. this is a tep in the right direction. this is a long time in my review, but at least it is moving in the right place. >> i hear you on that. first of all, lawyers, even crappy ones, have a formal duty if they are representing any clients. and so to say that you don't know who requested the memo and who you wrote on behalf of is to suggest you're not minding that duty which is separate from whether this lawyer committed mal practice or force if he was knowingly stating falsehoods or spurring things that may have been a criminal conspiracy. i want to play for you the georgia secretary of state who was on the other end of that infamous call who was on msnbc toda

john eastman has a job with the claremont institute.t they still haven't fired that man tells you a lot about the claremont institute. and, you know, we really need to start arresting people. like, i am telling you right now, if we do not start showing consequences to the coup, then it is a practice run and what you are going to see is it is going to happen either two ways. number one, there is going to be a real coup where there is a physical bumper or overthrow of the government or it is going to be one that is done by legal means, such as, you know, voter disenfranchisement. you know, overturning the votes of, you know, certain counties to make sure that candidates like donald trump or other candidates like that win. we are not taking this serious enough right now. it is -- we are literally def con five and no one's really, you know, looking at this as seriously as they shall. >> like i said, talk to your party. >> trust me. >> no, no, i mean we are talking about things that are really serious but i mean that because the democratic p

trump campaign manager bill stepien, john eastman. now, that name has gotten attention.vised a scheme for pence to overturn the election. michael flynn. the ex-national security adviser who pardoned -- who was pardoned by trump. um, also, senior adviser jason miller and bernie kerik. remember him? he used to be police commissioner in new york city after 9/11 -- during 9/ 11. two associates. they both met with juul and bannon on january 5, as well as angela mccollum, an executive assistant. will they comply and what fruit could they yield? steve bannon -- here is the context -- he was held in contempt of congress over two weeks ago. doj. no decision on whether to prosecute, yet. let's bring in a key member of the committee congressman adam schiff. good to see you, as always, sir. let's start with that. >> good to see you. >> two weeks. no word from the doj. is that too long? >> i don't think it's too long. they do need to study the precedent, the facts of the case. i think it's a pretty straightforward case, though. and i hope that they move with expedition. if the justic

one of those people, the democrats are pointing to those. suppose it talks at the willard is john eastman here. he's pictured with rudy giuliani at trump's january 6th rally, which was not part of the riot at a january 4th meeting with trump's chief of staff, mark meadows and former vice president mike pence. it's believed eastman briefed pence on how to refuse certify electoral votes for bitin pens did not follow through with this advice. but question is, did any of these men know about the planned attack on the capital? 40 of the people involved in the january, 6 chaos remain in jail. congresswoman missouri taylor green of georgia and congressman louis gomez of texas were criticized for meeting with some of those people during a scheduled visit of the facility. green commented on the conditions saying they were being treated like prisoners of war in a tweet, she said she had never seen human suffering like she witnessed there. while some of the left said her claims were purely political. the u. s. marshal service inspected the jail in late october, the reported poor conditions of the ja