google, yahoo, ebay, amazon.hey are only going to be some of the great companies that are going to be created. as opposed to a year, i took two weeks in australia, came back, said ok, what is my best idea, oh, look, linkedin is actually still a very valid idea. the market opportunity is right for it. i should start that. i started investing in companies like facebook and flickr and a number of others. i was like let's just go all in on this next generation of internet. >> i know the early years were hard. tell me about that. >> i don't know how many of our viewers will remember this, but friendster was all the rage back then. >> i remember friendster. >> and so what happened is, i would come and say, this is what linkedin is. and they would say, well, you're like friendster but for business. and i would say, well, that's not the way i would describe it, but -- i can't tell you the number of times i've had conversations with people who are smart and very close to say, 'that isn't going to work.' and i'm like, 'i t

a place like ebay does not offer that.een this happen in handbags peril, shoes and we believe there is a lot of vertically integrated marketplaces to be created. cory: it is interesting ebay would not use all of its financial strength to develop that. they've developed a system around cars that different than the rest of ebay and is enormously successful. cracks -- >> correct. but ebay -- certain verticals require more manual operations than others. it requires manual operations. when the items sell on her site, nothing goes to the seller unless it goes through our appraisal office in new york city. it has to get checked before it goes onward. ebay takes all of the millions of pieces and sends them forward because it is not annual. cory: do you have the scale to get big? >> we have the scale now and we also have photo recognition technology that processes items in real time. taking the watch again, we look at the face and the serial number -- >> you can see this here -- how much is this watch worth question mark >> this wa

and initially, you had the ebay for everything.arting to see in a last three to five years and what we will continue to see in the next five to 10 years, vertically integrated marketplaces that require specific customers experiences that ebay or etsy and others just do not offer. for example in jewelry. when you go jewelry shopping you require specific services like warrantee, refurbishing, where the item came from. ebay does not offer that you . need to be able to trust the seller and where the items came from. these pieces have stories. we have seen this happen not only in our vertical, but with handbags, apparel, and shoes. we believe there is a lot of vertical in the integrated marketplaces to be created. cory: they have developed a particular system around cars that is a little bit different than the rest of ebay and it's enormously successful. >> correct, but i think ebay is widely focused and has many different verticals. certain verticals require more manual operations than others. when the items sell on our site, nothing e

will ebay check everything you go probably not. -- will ebay check everything? probably not.l it be to scale? >> we have technology that processes items in real-time. for example, the watch. we look at the face and the serial numbers. cory: how much is the watchword? >> this watch right here is worth $22,000. cory: you actually scan the watch to take pictures of it and see how real it is? >> yes, we scan the inside, the back, the faith and the serial numbers. we are in different industry databases and other off-line databases and we are able to determine if it is a fake or not. using that scanning technology we are able to authenticate items through leveraging technology. admin through our pricing engine, we are able to determine what the pricing should be for the watch. in turn, giving the seller the best price back and the shopper the best value back, and everybody is winning. cory: time for the number that tells us a whole lot, the bwest byte. alex joins us from new york. alex: today's bwest byte is 300. that is the number of emerging from -- emojis. it is to give more div

it's the ebay latin america. ebay will use a lot of money. maybe take them over.y to get that paypal split? no. what do you think about ebay? >> it's a whole in my system. the sales are anemic. better stocks. i would pass. charles: i think so too. what do you think about zebra, i own it. up about 20%. hope you bought it from the show. we're up too. i'm holding on to this thing. love the company and the business. i think it goes higher. what about you, chris? >> i think the stock is doing well. expanding its product. play on the internet of things. all places. as we continue to collect data. they're right there at the point of collecting things. matt: i love the stock. takeover $3.2 billion deals. moat roll aenterprise, expanding their bottom line. earnings per share growing. can't go wrong. >> i think the deal is expensive. the stock is expensive. i think it's really stretched. it's a sell to the next top. i'm sorry, man. charles: golly. that's good. that's good. what about that it's sort of a proxy for the overall economy? no? >> ge is a proxy of the economy too.

. >> and someone is selling an apple mac book on ebay.ch, it's haunted or so the seller says. we'll explain when we come right back. >> ♪♪ >> 4:42. this commute has got to be much better than yesterday for starters. >> there could be a couple icy patches because in some spots we might have melted something and then refrozen it but i don't think it's much of an issue in most cases. storm tracker 6 double scan shows you we're dry which is good and as we take a look outside this morning we're looking at clear skies over the airport with just a little bit of a breeze blowing and generally speaking it's going to be a very pleasant afternoon as we build in. this morning though we're starting out cool. 29 degrees currently in philadelphia. winds are out of the north at 13 and the wind chills are currently making it feel like it's in the upper teens in a lot of spots. there's satellite showing that you cloud cover off the coast but enough clear skies overhead where most of us will start out with sun. later today some of these clouds out to the we

i think the same thing is a great strategy for ebay.robably a lot of other companies will follow that. >> will oracle follow? is oracle one of those companies? >> i think that with oracle, that is difficult. number one, the distribution will be the same no matter what. oracle has to innovate at a higher rate. that's what we've not seen oracle do in the last decade. >> salesforce has been a big acquirer. how do you continue to buy companies without losing focus or getting bloated? >> acquisitions are hard no matter who you are. i can tell you firsthand after doing 25 acquisitions over the last five years, acquisitions are hard. but you can transform your company through acquisitions. they bring incredible people into your company, and if you can nurture them, you can get results. >> what are the challenges when you buy another big company? >> the number one thing is that, as a ceo, you have to choose what you will be in. i only have so much time. where i spend my time is super important. i kind of divide my time into four quadrants. in a

then they sold the business to ebay. was at the right decision?a listen. >> the paypal engine was long, as you know. -- the paypal story is long, as you know. was selling at the right decision? >> there was no alternative. it is clearly successful today. it is impossible to argue that the stale -- the sale to ebay was not a step in that direction. could we have been bigger and farther along and less bureaucratic and more nimble as a standalone company? maybe. would we have been more challenging our ability to expand and have taken longer to bring the product to more people? it is hard to tell. the team was very tired and still blocked in a brutal battle with ebay because they had their own payment service that they were not about to give up on. so, probably the right call. on the emotional front, it was very difficult. on the business front, probably the right thing. >> what was difficult about it? >> it is your baby. it is this family teenager that was growing up and to be -- growing up to be a beautiful company. >> the full interview with andrew

four years later, they sold the company to ebay. was that the right move?e paypal story is long and legend. looking back, was selling at the right thing, the right time? >> it's the kind of experiment that you can only run once. there is no alternative. it is clearly extraordinarily successful today. it is impossible to argue the sale to ebay is not a step in that success. so clearly the true arc is correlated. could we have been bigger in farther along and less bureaucratic, more nimble as a standalone company? maybe, would it have been more challenging than our ability to expand would have taken longer to bring it to more people? possibly as well. it is impossible to tell. the team was very tired. we were in a battle with ebay because they had their own limits service they were not about to give up on, so probably the right call, but on an emotional front it was very difficult. on the business front, probably the right thing. >> what was difficult about it? >> it's your baby. it was this gangly teenager that growth into a beautiful company. >> do not miss

. >> why do you think you have advantage over ebay that's already out there for a thrift store nearby? >> i think we have a distinct advantage over both. ebay is a great company we admire very much but they serve 14 a major categories with the same platform. because we're only in platform we' fashion we've been able that tailor the service to make it quick and easy. and in terms of consignment you only make about it 40% of the sale. on tradesy you keep 91% of the sale. >> good deal. you're up to about $45 millions. what do you who with that money? what comes next. >> we're mostly hiring particularly in data science team. working really hard to make sure we can connect the supply and demand and understand the products in our system. and some marketing too so that we can continue growing. >> you are only as good as the people selling on your site. how can somebody tell if something is worth selling and can how do they figure how to price it? >> anything in your closet that is in good condition is worth selling. someone will want it. anything can be sold on tradesy. and as far as pricing

the bulls are republicaning towa -- running towards ebay. an under the radar way to play the growing biotech industry. the ceo of unilife joins us on set. >>> crude falling almost 50% in the last six months. our next guest says we haven't hit bottom yet. let's bring in tom kloza who joins us on the fast line. when do you think oil will bottom? >> i think it occurs in the second quarter of the year and it will probably occur simultaneously to one of the expirations of the wti contracts. we're going to fill up in storage and it doesn't appear as though there's any way around that. and some of the additional crude oil on the water will come to the united states because we have the facilities to store it. the cycle has a long way to run out. >> in terms of price at the low, nobody can guess that exact price. will it be much off from the 42 and change we saw in january? >> i don't think it will be on a sustained basis for much longer. i agree with ed morris from citigroup it can have a two or three handle. something in the 30s is realisting. you'

two decades later, he sits on the boards of facebook, hp, and, until recently, ebay. his venture capital firm andreessen-horowitz backs some of the hottest companies, like twitter, airbnb, and pinterest. i sit down with marc andreessen at salesforce's dreamforce conference in this special edition of "studio 1.0." >> i wanted to start with a word of congratulations, because 20 years ago, netscape, which you co-founded, launched. can we get some applause for that? [applause] ushering in the web as we know it. how does that feel? >> it is fantastic. it is so extraordinary. we had a little bit of a glimmer that something might happen, that it might matter, that this internet thing might work out ok. and it turned out it has. >> you have been incredibly productive since. you started a little venture capital firm, andreessen-horowitz. you have also tweeted 33,000 times. >> in? >> in one year. >> thank you. >> which is more than all three founders of twitter combined. >> yes. that is true. >> since twitter started, by the way. >> i really think the stock in the company shoul

all intents and purposes ebay will be in deficient's of paypal so whether paypal spins ebay in or paypal gets spun out, ebay remains a key market or paypal but ultimately it is the faster growing of the two, so paypal must receive its full managerial. >> would you buy shares in the new public paypal? >> it depends who the management team becomes. >> who would you want to run the company -- you cannot say you. >> i'm unavailable, i'm running my own financial services company. there are a bunch of people, probably the last person to run paypal after peter departed was david who recently became available. he ran something for microsoft for a while but he definitely knows paypal from the entrepreneurial age the best. >> to twitter had revenue of 312 million, do you think a pal by itself is worth more than twitter -- paypal by itself is worth more than twitter? >> that is asking someone who has not tracked paypal financials in a long time. i imagine is at least comparable. >> say 35 million? >> i know better than to prognosticate about public markets. >> if you sold paypal under 2014 market c

ebay next up.ou're buying from a trusted source, you just don't know. >> reporter: sure enough, i don't have a lot of feedback on ebay. i list the purse and it does sell at auction but the price, wah-wah. $75. now subtract the 10% that ebay takes, $67.50 is my final payout but when i looked at similar purses sold on ebay by other sellers with much higher raters than me the average price was $123 netting the sellers about $110. but i still had to find out. could an online reseller like poshmark or fashionphile have netted me a higher payout. >> yes, the audience is very great if you're selling online hitting the whole nation if not worldwide. depending on the site. >> reporter: looking at purses like mine that sold previously on poshmark the average selling price $158. the site takes 20% of the price so based on those averages, if i had sold on poshmark my final take might have been $126. final tally i'd take home $70 with the local consignment shop. i made $67.50 on ebay and my top-selling choice w

for all its purposes, ebay will be a division of paypal. ebay remains a key market for paypal but ultimately it is the faster growing of the two. whatever happens, paypal must receive its full managerial attention. >> would you be willing to buy shares in paypal? >> it would depend. >> who would you pick to run it? >> there are whole bunch of people. the last person to run it after peter departed was david sachs. he ran yammer for microsoft for a while. he knows paypal. >> in the second quarter, it had a revenue of 1.9 million. do you think paypal is worth more than twitter right now? standalone? >> i imagine it is at least a comparable level of value. >> $35 million? >> i know better than to prognosticate about public markets. >> if you had sold paypal under 2014 market conditions as opposed to two market conditions, we do have had a more successful ipo? how does look differently from the lens of the current market? >> it is an experiment you can only run once. it out today is a force to be reckoned with. an incredible juggernaut. it has o

and beach blanket bagging babylon there's a little time left from the auction in heart pleased visit ebay works table to introduce our final heros of the day please welcome janet chief executive officer northern california kaiser permanente. >> (clapping.) thank you so much wow, i wondering if that hat is available on the auction later day today, i bet a lot of people not that i'm thrilled to be introducing our final hero kairpd and san francisco general hospital have a long partnership to protect the safety net in our state that are visitor to our community health together over this last 12 years with the health commission health education we're recruiting our new nurses we've protected heartaches and strokes and helped that the electronic records across the community it's in the spirit of partnership that i'm privileged to introduce our final hero dr. edward a passionate man, i had a chance to speak to him a passionate and husband and father and mentored our and, of course, a leader in our health care industry he's someone that that many of us call our health care your calling an exampl

no reason you couldn't reach google facebook, am, ebay or other -- amazon ebay or orr content companies. and that, you know, is a worrisome interpretation of the statute. i think a lot of people on the hill thought possibly reversing that was something that would attract the tech community. but if they don't show an interest in it -- >> test talk about the litigation for -- let's talk about the litigation for a second and what seems to be an impending court case involving the draft rules here. >> guest: uh-huh. >> what's your sense for what the litigation risk is here? does the whole thing get thrown out? just a part of it? which parts? >> guest: i don't think -- an honest person can't fully assess that yet because we haven't seen the order. the order is supposedly 332 pages long. every one of those words matters, every one can potentially result in legal error, any one of those provisions cannot be based on a full record of proper notice any one of those things can be an illegal analysis that doesn't pass the standards applied by the courts, so it's hard to say. i will say this: it is

in just a couple of clicks i'm able to create my own store front, still have my stuff on ebay i can then send all of that information, my listings my pictures over to amazon to etsy, it's an amazing tool. >> it could be because of the current economy, a reaction to the changes in health care laws or new technology which makes it easier to track. but increasingly small businesses are hiring freelancers rather than full-time employees. as cnbc's sharon epperson tells us freelancing is actually being embraced by both employees and employers. >> kyle davidson has been on many adventures but one that's been most meaningful came after he left living social an online marketplace that features local deals for its subscribers. >> i decided to refocus the core business, refocus sort of their strategy a little bit. and decided as a result to shut down the adventures division nationwide. >> davidson had worked on that team crafting deals on snowboard snowboarding, skiing, rafting, wine tours and other trips. when his job came to an end he embarked on a new adventure. launching his own business.

ebay's recent troubles, vindicate amazon's investment decisions.k at ebay, used to be described as the perfect e-commerce business model. people criticizing amazon for the amount of investment. clearly ebay failed to invest at the level they should have in the mobile era. didn't build an ecosystem, didn't build -- they overrelied on google and we see that company, frankly, crumbling. yes, jeff bezos has been wise to invest even though there's a slight miss overall he's a winner. >> question of whether or not prime becomes like your facebook log in or google log in, purchasing for everything. up 50% year over year. that's a here and now business for everything that you buy, whether it's electronic or physical. >> maybe in the future we need a facebook log in, gmail and prime account. that's what guy kawasaki said on the show yesterday. >> speaking of amazon by the way, one of its newest stars is going to join us later this morning. jason lee, you know him from various nbc shows, going to be here at post nine to talk about his show on amazon coming u

we have also attracted the movie industry because if you stand on our flight deck and lookout, use ebay. you do not see a lot of buildings. there are certain shots they can do that make it look as if this is a ship at sea. the navy is critical and very important to this nation's prosperity. so it is important people understand the role of the navy, understand how we got to where we are, and understand, for us the evolution of the aircraft carrier. world war ii essentially saw the first aircraft carrier. that was the invention or the operations of the first aircraft carrier. the japanese proved how strong and how important aircraft carriers could be. we took that and evolved it during the course of world war ii. and now aircraft carriers are the centerpiece of our seapower. so it is important -- we think it is important that people sort of understand that, but put it in context of the history that came before it. >> throughout the weekend american history tv is featuring corpus christi, texas. our staff recently traveled there to learn more. learn more about corpus christi and other stop

all intents and purposes ebay will be in deficient's of paypal so whether paypal spins ebay in or paypal gets spun out, ebay remains a key market or paypal but ultimately it is the faster growing of the two, so paypal must receive its full managerial. >> would you buy shares in the new public paypal? >> it depends who the management team becomes. >> who would you want to run the company -- you cannot say you. >> i'm unavailable, i'm running my own financial services company. there are a bunch of people, probably the last person to run paypal after peter departed was david who recently became available. he ran something for microsoft for a while but he definitely knows paypal from the entrepreneurial age the best. >> to twitter had revenue of 312 million, do you think a pal by itself is worth more than twitter -- paypal by itself is worth more than twitter? >> that is asking someone who has not tracked paypal financials in a long time. i imagine is at least comparable. >> say 35 million? >> i know better than to prognosticate about public markets. >> if you sold paypal under 2014 market c

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people can purchase it off ebay and pour all over their food. why ebay?lling from their own site? here is the catch. only 200 bottles are being made. bids exceeded $18,000. come on! imagine lasagna you could make with that. that would be something. >>> over to france monopoly is releasing a limited edition version of the fame stuffed with real money. actual wads of cash will be swapped into 80 sets. in front of them is holding 23,000 bucks. i got to go. i'm pogue to buy a few of these. landing in north korea, where kim jong-un has a lot on his mind. the dear leader says he stays up at night thinking about poverty and how the less fortunate people in his country may be suffering. he could share some stuff with them. that would be thoughtful. >>> have you finished shoveling your driveway yet? don't get too excited. more snow is on the way. not only more shoveling. this could mean more delays at airport. fox news's molly line on the ground in newton, massachusetts. fox news's rick leventhal gets to be inside in laguardia in new york. molly, i will start with

i even read a recent study that ebay cell phones being sold on ebay, in the pictures you can see a black hand in some pictures versus a white hand. purchases were made with people holding the same cell phone but with the white hand. there are all sorts of social science tests that have come up with similar results. it is really shocking, the percentage of differences. we have to understand that the police, acting in inner-city communities that are predominantly african-american, people of color, police are human. they have implicit biases too. even if there is a quality supposedly under the law, people have these implicit biases that come out in different ways. there is great discretion, especially when we are talking about minor crimes. stealing cigarettes. jaywalking. ferguson. -- purchasing or selling to correct -- cigarettes. there is a great deal of discretion as to how people are going to be treated in those circumstances. we have to have better rules and policies that prevent the abuse of that discretion and abusive treatment to people of color. >> since we are talking about race

that is a tremendous loss for everyone. >> tod cohen from ebay. appreciate what my colleagues and their properly respectful attitude towards potential government regulation of their services and the need to collaborate at the local level. i wholeheartedly endorse them to do that. but with the reality that there are very entrenched economic interests that have every desire to put startups like that out of business. they work actively and have political power and engage in the worst type of regulatory models. we want to have a level playing field is the classic example. therefore, we should have unnecessary burdens placed on new entrants that had nothing to do with the service underlying that. i am pleased to see what the german people are responding with. it is what people want. i would make sure you try to get in early and inoculate yourself. try to make sure you find regulators not only captive but that understand what is going on. what happens in the end is, it is an example of fraternity hazing. we got hazed. when you join, you will get hazed w

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, ebay and ask how they expanded internationally. it was always the same answer.take some really white mba and they go out on a package. i was like, eff that. so, we went and hired in brazil, only brazilians. prerequisite, they should not be able to speak english very well. we would do this in all these markets. for example, in russia, i thought about it. we didn't do this. you can buy a list from a russian hacking group with every single person's name in russian. and for a while, i was like wow. we should just buy this list of every single person's name and we will run google ads so that when they search for themselves, they see links to a fake profile. we didn't do it. i want to be clear. the point is you have to be able to figure out where is that line. kind of go a few steps back the line. >> what are facebook's biggest challenges today? >> it is the challenge of any successful company. the eternal inability to disrupt yourself. think about what happens in a company, not just facebook, google, apple. extreme wealth creation. all of the distraction that creates

they pick up and drop off workers from apple, ebay and zynga.they make around $40,000 a year and they have complained it is not enough money and they are struggling to support families. the union says they doubt the company will react negatively. >> i do not think they need the bad press of stepping on the little people that make the company's work. i doubt that that will happen. >> the focus will be on them and we will do what we need to do to pressure them into hiring people and getting decent wages. >> they contract with the tech company. and it is gorgeous outside right now. but that is about to change. it will be changing tomorrow and saturday, we will be tracking this system, not a major rain producer, but outside right now you can see towards oakland, there is lots of sunshine and lots of 60s out there for this hour. and a few neighborhoods will be on track to reach the lower 70s this afternoon. my storm tracker uses a storm to talk about in the north and towards eureka. also, we have a weather system bringing in cooler air beginning tomo

creating an ebay. the title was professor nude photos. what if my colleagues see this? how many other people see this, the main fear was how do i stop this? >> reporter: at the time, revenge porn sites were exploding on the internet. one of the most notorious is anyone up? it was separateby hunter moore. he pled guilty of identity theft, posting nude pictures online. >> what do you think of this? >> the entire thing is shocking. >> adam steinbock is an investigator in los angeles he hunts down people who solicit and publish nonconsensual pornography. >> somebody is really hurting because somebody in a petty moment of revenge wanted to lash out at someone. but worst than that, operating these websites, and the pain they are causing. >> you mean extortion? >> yes almost every website has an extortionate reason for it. >> he's exposed more than half odozen revenge porn site operators. people like kevin the san diego man was quibted a convicted a few weeks ago, running a revenge porn site called you got posted and change my reputation, victims of revenge porn had to pay to

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ebay has a monopoly in the auction space. amazon has a monopoly of scale. >> is facebook a monopoly? >> i would argue it is not as robust a monopoly as google, because there are other places that pop up in the social networking space every year, you see a twitter or snapchat. all these companies emerge on a continual basis. >> do you think they could ever become too powerful that they would stifle innovation? >> i tend to think this has not happened a lot in the technology area, because there has been enough innovation to keep things flowing. >> do you think someday google, facebook, amazon, will not be as dominant as they are? >> i think they will be dominant for a while, but i don't think they will be dominant forever. >> do you see one or the other becoming dominant? >> it is always difficult to judge this, but if i had to pick one, i do tend to think of google as the one that is on an incredible arc at this point. >> why? >> the core search monopoly is powerful. they are trying to extend it into all these other areas. >>