least until october it seems that's the currency volatility we have kristine lagart coming into the ebc >> you can have stock market volatility go through the roof >> if you do not think everything is awesome again. our next guest, our chief investment strategist at corner stone, michael, it is great to have you back. you come here and talk about the tr trump trade which reminds us what it stands for >> so it is a defensive sort of basket of stocks >> first down day in a wild. >> do you keep the trade on. >> we think there are three reasons you want to remain defensive. >> number one, continue to widen out. that began in 2018, kind of a soft rise credit spread. they came back in and now they're starting to move higher because earnings in the economy have continue to lose momentum that's the first one and leading indicators like manufactures and pmis are going to continue to remain under pressure. we broke the ice which is happening in every single fed tightening cycle. the third thing is we think recession risks are continuing to rise. where we are in this cycle now we have seen leading