as they say in chinese, ebu, ebu, which means step by step.p at a time and i couldn't -- nobody in the world could predict what happened in my life. i couldn't predict it, man, of what happened to work with every idol i ever had from billy holiday, ray charles and i came up together between 14 and 16. cab cal obey, jay mcsham, buoy, daisy duke, ray charles, aretha, paul simon, frank sinatra, michael jackson. >> that's the whole 20th century of black music. >> ludicrous, snoop dogg, everybody. incredible, man. it is a blessing and i receive it very gracefully. >> when you got into the music business, you began as an artist. playing the trumpet. how did you get your first big break? >> i wanted to be a gangster until i was 12. >> before music, you wanted to be a gangster? >> yeah. my dad was a master carpenter in chicago in the depression. five million black people and he was a carpenter for the city's most serious triple owe gees on the planet, the jones boyce. i got my medals, switchblade, seven years old, ice pick in my head. >> so what got y