i now it was a ec jo. it was a game to him. he thought, you know he once said the difference between us is we will do whatever you can and you won't do that. you think there are things you shouldn't do. and once i realized what the deal was, i let him do whatever he could. then we did business on the side. and you aref laing, but that's really we reached an acol days ago. >> is that how you remember it? >> partly. i think we were a lot more principal than that. the underlying reality was that all through the two shutdown, which, by the way, nate silver has written a very good piece pointing out, probably had zero impact politically and has been grossly exaggerated in the washington establishment. all through that fight, bill clinton and i could talk t. big difference in washington today is i don't sense that barack obama has anything like the personal skills. we went face-to-face negotiating. i got beaner and obama spent 35 minutes in a serious conversatio conversation. >> so, david, it hasn't gotten much conen thetious? >> the