think in general the chinese government is doing too much intervening too muchin the business and ecation and scientific research andther area but we have some advantages in some areas like social measurements but even in that area we need restorm and restructure. >> charlie: and you can say that with no fear of worrying that some how somebody else as importants you are will object to you saying tha >> we have different views. that's good. that means we can discuss that. in th many institutions with individuals in hong kong and everywhere we have a very mixed structure has proved very successful the ownership is mixed so the board of directors come fromll over the world and you have interviews and so ny times debate. i think it makes progress. >> charlie: you're saying in china what the west ought to understand and t emerging world ought to understandthat while china there is within china at the highest levels of business and academic and government a debate constantly about how we can achieve and become all that we have the potential to become. >> yes. we encourage that an fromhe top lev

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