ecd activation shall include. it has been pointed out to me that there's a sentence that's been move this had couat could perhaps a little bit more clarifying, that all of the factors will not be present that was in fact in an older draft. so i guess the question really becomes whether you -- again, you want to reemphasize, restate additional language in .e, and again, if we do -- not massively clear, written analysis to include recommendations regarding policies, training, equipment, ta tactics and position. >> so i know we've asked the chief to explain things, but the dpa mentions the department of justice, the recommendations for the discharge review board. this is a similar -- so you're just making a similar recommendation here that the doj has said we should include in our ois, right, reviews? and i understand you guys went to seattle. [please stand by for captioner switch] >> it spells out everything. >> commissioner turman: it's redone tant -- redundant. is there an issue? >> it's just redone tant. redundan

it's not a projectile that's been fired, an ecd. and the stakeholders would like it prohibited altogether. the department would like the option to use that mode but not in pain compliance. >> commissioner turman: why do the stakeholders want it stricken altogether. >> it's considered a pain device. >> commissioner: it's a torture device. >> and the dpa does have an alternative suggestion where the use is limited to completing [indiscernible] when deadly force would be permissive. >> commissioner turman: commissioners, item number three. drive [indiscernible] >> commissioner: the dry stun mode doesn't incapacitate it it's just to inflict pain. i think amnesty international has deemed it a form of torture. a torture weapon and the united nations. >> commissioner turman: i'm not going to have any call-outs from the audience. madame, i'm finding disruptive. that is your first warning. >> the studies also show it doesn't incapacitate people but makes them angrier and can escalate the situation i don't know why we have to allow a dry stun

it looks the same all the way through instead of having summary ecd in the middle or where we're going to put it. you'll have the board report on the website. that's as simple. >> commissioner: will tasers be on the 96a. >> statistically. we're talking about not duplicating that report and putting it in 96a for one single use of force. >> commissioner turman: chief, was there else you wanted to stay. >> commissioner: key word statistically. >> commissioner turman: was there anything else you wanted to say? >> commissioner: he covered it. >> commissioner: specifically, you say we have 10 of these and two of these were that and three of these were that. one line sentence. i think we're asking for more information than a statistical report that the board of supervisors may be gathering stats on to make an analysis of. i need know if you're just talking about stats. >> commissioner: 96a is stats which should remain stats. the review board will have the summaries which has been agreed upon and will go onto the website for everyone to read. we're just saying keep 96a the way it is, where we

we've agreed to do the summaries as part of the ecd review board process. >> commissioner turman: who objects to leaving this the way it is? all right. thank you for that. all right. there's issues in the 5.02 as well as the appendix. our straw poll and how we will vote after public comment is on the general order as follows. it will be an as written but use of electronic weapon. it will be -- we will eliminate the definition of assaultive. we will allow the drive stun load to remain. we will add in the section and take out the department's language and add in commissioner hirsch's suggested language, we will leave as is except we will add the word schizophrenia as an example. we will -- >> page nine the coordinator. >> commissioner turman: we will add in the coordinator position and role and responsibility and for number seven, i cannot read my own handwriting. >> remove the language requiring admittance to a medical facility. >> commissioner turman: yes. eliminate the language requiring notification only if there's a medical facility. if there's serious bodily injury the [indiscerni

ecd mueller michael made a strategicion, that it might be nice if he could have someone else carry out that work. one thing on attorney-client privilege. lot of people have to sign off on a raid like this. goes through the justice department, a federal judge so the facts thatld there c be some violation of attorney-client privilege, despite the normal protections c it i think shows the seriousness of probable cal that was at issue here. robert: so much of this is aboue ontext of what cohen was doing. was it as being the president's attorney or was it trying to cut some ofhese side deals struck with different figures in theen press life, different rhythms. but phil, you got the big story this week. you read the commie -- comey book before ninls. former f.b.i. director james coasy's bookst come out yet but some things are incendiary. the boss in complete control, he writes and sums it up by saying words, st fire, tough that is the trump presidency. explosive. >> it's a skating cross-examination of not only trump's character but his ethics and he poray trump as a congenital liar, as someo

if you look at the statistics and the rankings that o to ecd puts out -- oecd puts out, you'll see that the u.s. is in the middle of the pack somewhere. the key is to be nimble in public policy, to use the government to address the contextual issues both globally and locally and to devise public policy accordingly. we haven't done that. we haven't done that because particularly since the reagan administration we have used government to devalue public policy except for a relatively their row segment of the population that -- narrow segment of the population that nancy has addressed. >> okay, great. nancy? >> yeah. i would say a couple things and one that i didn't mention but that's very important, i think the single most important finding of my research is that the architects of this effort -- particularly i'm talking about charles koch is and james buchanan -- both of them understood that libertarianism was a permanent minority cause that most people did not want. as soon as people understood what that libertarian dream world is, most people back away from it and reject it and would try