he led a group that started echostar in the 1980's and then started dish in the next decade. in the process, he has become one of the richest men in america, worth more than $20 billion. ergen stepped out of the spotlight in 2011, leaving the ceo rein to joe clayton. just four years later, the founder is back in the hot seat as television goes under another revolution. like the satellite tv business, ergen wants to be at the forefront of this change by creating a new, over the top product called sling tv and buying up billions of dollars worth of wireless assets. assets he says can be used to build a legitimate competitor to at&t and verizon. when he first sat down for our interview with him at his inwood, colorado headquarters, i asked ergen to describe his new frontier. charlie: the transformation is going on into their places. one is television. tv itself is transforming. people are looking more for what they want to watch and not paying for things they don't watch. they want to watch their tv everywhere. part of that is the technology of ott, over the top, allows customer