he led a group that started echostar in the 1980's and then started dish in the next decade, upending the traditional cable tv world. in the process, he has become one of the richest men in america, worth nearly $20 billion. ergen stepped out of the spotlight in 2011, leaving the ceo rein to joe clayton. but just four years later, the founder is back in the hot seat as television undergoes another revolution. video, moving on to your second screen. like the satellite tv business, in its early days, ergen wants to be at the forefront of this change by creating a new, over the top product called sling tv and buying up billions of dollars worth of wireless assets. assets that he says can be used to build a legitimate competitor to at&t and verizon. when we first sat down for our interview with him at his inglewood, colorado headquarters, i asked ergen to describe this new frontier. charlie: now we are in another transformation, and the transformation is really going about in two places. one is television. tv itself is transforming. people are looking more for what they want to watch and