partner forthe echr, bearing in mind for the echr, a long—term partner for the echr, bearing in mind 165 refugees to rwanda the day following the supreme courtjudgment, they clearly regard rwanda as a credible long—term partner, just as we do. i really hope we can now move quickly. we have addressed the issues raised by their lordships in this treaty, that will be reflected in domestic legislation sooner. we are absolutely committed to breaking their business model of these people smuggling gangs, to creating a safe and welcoming environment with our friends and partners here in rwanda, but also, making sure that vast migration is well—managed the future. migration is well-managed the future. , ., , migration is well-managed the future. ,., , ., migration is well-managed the future. ., ., ., future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment — future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is _ future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven _ future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven by _ future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven by our- future. le

>> the echr >> what's the echr then? >> what's the echr then? >> but it the uk. >> what's the echr then? >> uk but it the uk. it was >> what's the echr then? >> uk government�*ne uk. it was >> what's the echr then? >> uk government that(. it was >> what's the echr then? >> uk government that overruled the uk government that overruled the uk government that overruled the also, but also the supreme court also, but also the supreme court also, but also the has also stepped in and the echr has also stepped in and said no you can't that. said no, you can't do that. >> you do what >> you can't you can't do what you want in your own country to secure your borders. >> somebody if all >> like somebody i wonder if all these work for the these people who work for the echr for the supreme echr and work for the supreme court, wonder they court, i wonder if they leave their doors open at night. yeah. >> though, is >> the supreme court, though, is our institution. it's our country. not saying country. yeah. i'm not saying they're well, but country. yeah. i'm not saying thwase w

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>> the echr >> what's the echr then? >> what's the echr then? >> but it the uk. >> what's the echr then? >> uk but it the uk. it was >> what's the echr then? >> uk government�*ne uk. it was >> what's the echr then? >> uk government that(. it was >> what's the echr then? >> uk government that overruled the uk government that overruled the uk government that overruled the also, but also the supreme court also, but also the supreme court also, but also the has also stepped in and the echr has also stepped in and said no you can't that. said no, you can't do that. >> you do what >> you can't you can't do what you want in your own country to secure your borders. >> somebody if all >> like somebody i wonder if all these work for the these people who work for the echr for the supreme echr and work for the supreme court, wonder they court, i wonder if they leave their doors open at night. yeah. >> though, is >> the supreme court, though, is our institution. it's our country. not saying country. yeah. i'm not saying they're well, but country. yeah. i'm not saying thwase w

we don't need the echr.e're quite capable of having our liberties for our own rights and liberties for people in country. people in this country. >> agree with you. we >> i look, i agree with you. we need a my view is , and this need a my view is, and this might bold, but we need might be a bit bold, but we need a constitution. need deal a constitution. we need to deal with our own laws on asylum seekers, on human rights. and the judges should interpret british laws. >> well, as a brexiteer , i can >> well, as a brexiteer, i can only agree with that sentiment. ivan thank you for ivan as ever, thank you for coming moment. well, the coming in a moment. well, the most extraordinary but most extraordinary ruling, but took supreme court took place on the supreme court in colorado last night by a margin of four votes to three, to say that donald trump cannot be on the ballot. surely this can't stand. we will talk to one of the lawyers who led that case and ask, is this really what should be happening to american d

echr has ruled against amnesties in the past. issue refers us back to the fundamental fissure within british politics today . where british politics today. where does power lie .7 some people does power lie.7 some people believe in international law with unaccountable judges who have free rein. in the case of the ecr to expand the scope of its jurisdiction , with no its jurisdiction, with no democratic mandate or real legitimacy. others believe, as i do in parliamentary sovereignty, that parliament is the highest court in the land. as your representative, as the representative, as the representative of a sovereign people, those who believe in parliamentary sovereignty have the constitution on their side. historically parliamentary sovereignty is the underpinning of our unwritten constitution . of our unwritten constitution. it recognises that the law and politics must co—exist and that good government requires flexibility in this case to bnng flexibility in this case to bring to an end endless investigations of old men for long,

the big obstacles are echr. supreme court are the echr. the supreme court are the echr. are to are genuine obstacles to enacting the kind of immigration policy you're about policy that you're talking about here. obstacles here. they are genuine obstacles to course, the to that. and of course, the reality in this country we reality is in this country we have sovereignty. have parliamentary sovereignty. the change all the government could change all of that with an act of parliament. they choose not to because massive political parliament. they choose not to becalthey massive political parliament. they choose not to becalthey don't|assive political parliament. they choose not to becalthey don't wante political parliament. they choose not to becalthey don't wante phave.il fight they don't want to have. and in ways it's and in many ways it's relitigating what we went through with brexit through in 2016 with the brexit referendum. parliament is sovereign. represents referendum. parliament is sov

no >> claire number two, should we leave the echr ? leave the echr?ephen no , no. question >> stephen no, no. question three claire do you agree with the 20 mile, the labour's 20 mile per hour speed limit? no >> stephen well, i dream of doing 20 miles an hour in west london. >> it just doesn't get it does it? >> yes. no yes, in— >> yes. no yes, yes. it's it? >> yes. no yes, yes. it's been on the show about 500 times. yes. yes. an answer , yes or no? yes. yes. an answer, yes or no? yes. yes. an answer, yes or no? yes. so that's a wrong answer. stephen so go back to you again. stephen so go back to you again. stephen should we send illegal migrants to uninhabited british islands? yes >> claire. no >> claire. no >> so no final question , claire, >> so no final question, claire, for you first. does stephen pound, former labour mp in secret tory, look like ebenezer scrooge ? scrooge? >> looks like him, yes. scrooge? >> looks like him, yes . yes. >> looks like him, yes. yes. >> looks like him, yes. yes. >> stephen humbug . >> stephen humbug. >> stephen humb

no >> claire number two, should we leave the echr ? leave the echr? no , no. question >> stephen no, no. question three claire do you agree with the 20 mile, the labour's 20 mile per hour speed limit? no >> stephen well, i dream of doing 20 miles an hour in west london. >> it just doesn't get it does it? >> yes. no yes, in— >> yes. no yes, yes. it's it? >> yes. no yes, yes. it's been on the show about 500 times. yes. yes. an answer , yes or no? yes. yes. an answer, yes or no? yes. yes. an answer, yes or no? yes. so that's a wrong answer. stephen so go back to you again. stephen so go back to you again. stephen should we send illegal migrants to uninhabited british islands? yes >> claire. no >> claire. no >> so no final question , claire, >> so no final question, claire, for you first. does stephen pound, former labour mp in secret tory, look like ebenezer scrooge ? scrooge? >> looks like him, yes. scrooge? >> looks like him, yes . yes. >> looks like him, yes. yes. >> looks like him, yes. yes. >> stephen humbug . >> stephen humbug. >> stephen humbug. >

his comments on the echr or lord powell's comments on the echr . powell's comments on the echr.as saying that actually, if we ignore the echr, we will be challenged on it. um, but it may take three or more years before we have to respond to any, any finding against us, dunng any, any finding against us, during which time we have taken control. we have sent a very powerful message. now that to me , is the sort of determining mission, that decision making , mission, that decision making, the courage that we need and are sorely lacking in politics today and in terms of our borders and immigration. so there's a lot of stuff to take away from this. i think even for people on the right wing. so you know. yeah. um, i'm quite surprised to learn of this , but, you know, i'm, i'm of this, but, you know, i'm, i'm augned of this, but, you know, i'm, i'm aligned to much of it. i've said much of it before, uh, we the united nations, uh, convention on refugees does allow for the detention of people who have entered a country illegally now claiming asylum is a is a is a defence against that. bu

the echr, notwithstanding the echr, notwithstanding our domestic law, notwithstanding our case law,nding our case law , will still say rwanda is law, will still say rwanda is safe . i think the government safe. i think the government will need to think about what kind of precedent it will set for the next government or their own government . but even beyond own government. but even beyond that, be the that, there will still be the question committing this question of committing this treaty. these international obugafions treaty. these international obligations to rwanda and the uk, but also saying you're not going to follow other international obligations. >> yes, it sounds to me neither of terribly optimistic of you sound terribly optimistic to me that this is actually going to fly and that anyone is going to fly and that anyone is going to fly and that anyone is going to any migrants, asylum seekers are going to be sent to rwanda before the next election, which is just a year away. you don't look very optimistic. >> i know how parliamentary timetables work. >> you know how it works

and elizabeth makes a good point. the echr if you point. leave the echr if you wish.the french demonstrated, can french have demonstrated, it can be a country chooses be ignored. if a country chooses to so. but it seems that our to do so. but it seems that our mps those in authority mps and those in authority choose to abide by its laws. that's a very point. that's a very good point. perhaps madame , we perhaps for once, madame, we should a little bit more should be a little bit more french . with the turmoil french. with all the turmoil chasing the prime minister at the moment. everything from the renewed rwanda plan to the covid inquiry to civil service wokery to be covering to subjects we'll be covering shortly. that the shortly. it's no wonder that the times reporting whispers from times is reporting whispers from westminster suggested westminster have suggested a number ministers are number of ministers are regretting the ousting of boris johnson. and let's be honest, bofis johnson. and let's be honest, boris was a natural born boris johnson was a natural born lea

the echr, notwithstanding the echr, notwithstanding our domestic law, notwithstanding our case law,nding our case law , will still say rwanda is law, will still say rwanda is safe . i think the government safe. i think the government will need to think about what kind of precedent it will set for the next government or their own government . but even beyond own government. but even beyond that, be the that, there will still be the question committing this question of committing this treaty. these international obugafions treaty. these international obligations to rwanda and the uk, but also saying you're not going to follow other international obligations. >> yes, it sounds to me neither of terribly optimistic of you sound terribly optimistic to me that this is actually going to fly and that anyone is going to fly and that anyone is going to fly and that anyone is going to any migrants, asylum seekers are going to be sent to rwanda before the next election, which is just a year away. you don't look very optimistic. >> i know how parliamentary timetables work. >> you know how it works

the echr, article 11.4, the facilitation of access to a lawyer to make a challenge under the ehrc orgating from _ stand? correct. there is no question of us derogating from that? - of us derogating from that? absolutely. there is no question of rwanda _ absolutely. there is no question of rwanda being able to derogate based on the _ rwanda being able to derogate based on the treaty but we must remember the treaty— on the treaty but we must remember the treaty is — on the treaty but we must remember the treaty is a piece of paper, it is a commitment and the supreme court _ is a commitment and the supreme court made — is a commitment and the supreme court made it clear that based on the facts. — court made it clear that based on the facts, it would be unlawful currently — the facts, it would be unlawful currently to send asylum—seekers to rwanda _ currently to send asylum—seekers to rwanda so — currently to send asylum-seekers to rwanda. ., ., ., ,, ., rwanda. so in a situation or suella iivraverman — rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says _ rwanda. so in a situation or sue

we've got to get out the echr . we've got to get out the echr. >> yeah, absolutely.. uh, the british government needs to take the uk out completely from the echn the uk out completely from the echr. no european court should have any say over british law. also so rishi sunak needs to stand up to joe biden and tell joe biden this is none of his business. we need the british prime minister to stand up to the worst. us president, frankly, of the modern era, the most anti british president at. and rishi sunak really needs to demonstrate great strength and resolve because this is bullying by biden . it's unacceptable. the by biden. it's unacceptable. the british prime minister has to stand up to that bullying by biden or whoever is looking after him anyway. >> now >> that's for sure. and now thank you, my pleasure. thanks very much, john gardner. there for margaret for former aide to margaret thatcher. look, coming up very soon, it's emerged that gangs up and down the country have made millions posing as pudsey bears for children in need. so can we really trust people who

the echr exists keep europe echr exists to keep europe auensin echr exists to keep europe aliens in check kingdom. we've got a long tradition in history in our establishing an upholder of human rights. >> we've also got something called the supreme court. so why do we need another court telling us do? do we need another court telling us but do? do we need another court telling us but we've ? do we need another court telling us but we've just been we tried >> but we've just been we tried to override that, haven't we? yeah, but at least there yeah, but but at least there british judges sense that british judges in the sense that they more accountable to us british judges in the sense that theywe more accountable to us british judges in the sense that theywe knowe accountable to us british judges in the sense that theywe know who>untable to us british judges in the sense that theywe know who they ble to us british judges in the sense that theywe know who they are to us british judges in the sense that theywe know who they are and; british judges in the sense that theywe know who they are and

even going to or scrapping or the echr. um, still or avoiding the echr. problems. 20 odd years on, should we move on to this, uh, tragic story from sheffield, where a man who died after colliding with a car , um, after colliding with a car, um, yesterday has been named as a father of two, actually, christian marriott is his name christian? >> known as chris, was out for a post—christmas walk with his wife and two young sons, aged eight and six. it's believed he left his family to try and give first aid to a woman lying unconscious in the street. it is believed she had been involved in an altercation between a group of people and a car, reportedly then collided with mr marriott. >> the woman he was helping, and a crowd that had gathered around them . them. >> let's cross live now to sheffield to get more on this and talk to our yorkshire and humber reporter , anna o'reilly. humber reporter, anna o'reilly. goodness me anna, the details coming out of this now, um, what what happened to christian? it's absolutely devastating for his family and friends. >> it

and he wants to pull out of the echr. what's that ? echr. what's your view on that?r's reply to roberts resignation letter last night, i mean, the prime minister did say that, you know, robert was probably resigning on the wrong thing because actually in piece of legislation we in this piece of legislation we are now removing how individual are now removing how individual a number of reasons why individuals could and have in the past used our legal system to remove themselves from flights. so you can no longer claim asylum . that's 90% of all claim asylum. that's 90% of all claims previously. you can no longer invoke a number of human rights bits of parts of the human rights act, which was 63% of those that were removed from the flight last year. of those that were removed from the flight last year . so there's the flight last year. so there's a whole host of things that are in this bill that really does strengthen this. and in fact, that you're you'll be really having to go some to be able to prove that you're in immediate harm or danger or danger , even harm or dan

all the while we stay part of the echr and that's becoming pretty obvious. the next effectively brexit line that's been drawn within the conservative party. will the backbenchers have the guts to vote it down? well, normally they march up to the top of the hill and they march back down again. most of them are a pretty spineless bunch . i hope that i'm spineless bunch. i hope that i'm proved wrong. what is for certain is that sunak is on course to lead the conservative party to their worst election result in modern times. and frankly , i think they deserve frankly, i think they deserve pretty much everything that's coming to them . that's enough coming to them. that's enough from me for now. but back to richard tice is nigel. >> thank you. well welcome back to your own show . and it's fair to your own show. and it's fair to your own show. and it's fair to say that you've already caught up on everything and you sound fired up, raring to go. but firstly, nigel, a massive congratulations getting to the final. we have been trying here at gb news and elsewhere, as

all the while we stay part of the echr , right? of the echr, right?o in the last hour , we've >> so in the last hour, we've heard from the right wing of the tory party, the new conservatives headed by miriam cates, danny kruger. they released the following statement . it says that more than 40 colleagues tonight colleagues met tonight to discuss the bill. every member of discussion said bill of that discussion said the bill needs surgery or needs major surgery or replacement and they will be making that plane in the morning to and over to the pm at breakfast and over the next 24 hours, the big question is this whose side are you on? let's get the thoughts of my panel now. daily express columnist carole malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and former brexit party belinda luci brexit party mep belinda de luci karl, i'll start with you, whose side are you on over this? would you be voting for or against it? i would be voting for the rwanda plan, but i'm i'm furious plan, but but i'm i'm furious with the tories, patrick, because i just

all the while we stay part of the echr , right? of the echr, right?o in the last hour , we've >> so in the last hour, we've heard from the right wing of the tory party, the new conservatives headed by miriam cates, danny kruger. they released the following statement . it says that more than 40 colleagues tonight colleagues met tonight to discuss the bill. every member of discussion said bill of that discussion said the bill needs surgery or needs major surgery or replacement and they will be making that plane in the morning to and over to the pm at breakfast and over the next 24 hours, the big question is this whose side are you on? let's get the thoughts of my panel now. daily express columnist carole malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and former brexit party belinda luci brexit party mep belinda de luci karl, i'll start with you, whose side are you on over this? would you be voting for or against it? i would be voting for the rwanda plan, but i'm i'm furious plan, but but i'm i'm furious with the tories, patrick, because i just

and the echr . calls of the echr and the echr.een saying in the united kingdom with regard to deportation to rwanda, saying that that we shouldn't send people there because of the risk of being sent on to further countries and therefore the risk to torture. seems a to torture. that seems like a very similar set of concerns that the french have simply ignored. does that leave lessons for the united kingdom? there are questions here about a potential way of copying what the french are doing because the interior ministry over the weekend when this was announced at this deportation back in november, they said that they would always prioritise the security . security. >> 80 of the french states and the french people over the claims of human rights of terrorists. so a very clear message there from the french government. and it's interior ministry in particular. and i think it reflects a broader trend we've seen across europe whereby there has been a hardening of migration stances, particularly when it comes to the deportation of terrori

, which of course, the echr, which of course, stopped that in the process?, we'll be debating all of that. and my question to you on this, of course , is, i mean, the this, of course, is, i mean, the prime minister says very convincingly this is his this is the big deterrent . this will the big deterrent. this will stop the boats. he's absolutely. nailed his colours to that mast. so my question to you, viewers and listeners is, do you believe the prime minister is this a deterrent? is it going to work? that's the big question . then. that's the big question. then. they've spent hundreds of millions of pounds on it. do you think it's a deterrent? is it going to work? well, i suspect maybe the prime minister had a bit more sleep last night than my first guest on the show. you may recognise him because actually it's his show. nigel, a very warm welcome back to your show, back to these shores . show, back to these shores. fantastic to have you back. it must be a bit of almost like a culture shock. >> well, it is. and to be a guest on my own show is quite novel.

ed the echr has been deported. no lawyers got in the way. they simply got rid of somebody they thought they saw as a threat to their nation. the big question is if the french can do it, why on earth can't the british? >> well, we should have done the very first time that an echr judge said that we couldn't do the rwanda deportations, for example . we should have just example. we should have just gone ahead because those judgements from echr are merely advisory of course, we've now got, as a result of all the dhhenng got, as a result of all the dithering and delay, we've now got a judgement from our own courts , which is not advisory . i courts, which is not advisory. i mean that judgement we do have to . so it looks if the to follow. so it looks as if the government is trying to concoct a plan which would make rwanda , a plan which would make rwanda, it's rwanda plan compatible with what the supreme court asks . i what the supreme court asks. i foresee without any great difficulty , a whole load of difficulty, a wh

kingdom broke international law, rwanda would inevitably forfeit any opportunity to engage with other echr country and they would withdraw, so people have to be careful what they wish for, if they go too far they will drive the rwandans out of the scheme and collapse the whole policy. the other point that is important is to bear in mind it is critical that individual rights of challenge are preserved is as my right honourable friend said. i am a conservative because i am a constitution list. and i am constitution list because i believe in the checks and balances and frankly the day the conservative party thinks that ends justify the means, and ilog nor principles of committee and think any run with single policy objective overrides the checks and ambulances, it ceases to be a conservative party inspect the sense most people would recognise it. maintaining that balance is essential, i think ministers have with great endeavour managed just to do that. but it doesn't mean, i don't like much of the wording, of the bill, when i look mr deputy speaker, at for example some parts of clause one, i

, which of course, the echr, which of course, stopped that in the process?, we'll be debating all of that. and my question to you on this, of course , is, i mean, the this, of course, is, i mean, the prime minister says very convincingly this is his this is the big deterrent . this will the big deterrent. this will stop the boats. he's absolutely. nailed his colours to that mast. so my question to you, viewers and listeners is, do you believe the prime minister is this a deterrent? is it going to work? that's the big question . then. that's the big question. then. they've spent hundreds of millions of pounds on it. do you think it's a deterrent? is it going to work? well, i suspect maybe the prime minister had a bit more sleep last night than my first guest on the show. you may recognise him because actually it's his show. nigel, a very warm welcome back to your show, back to these shores . show, back to these shores. fantastic to have you back. it must be a bit of almost like a culture shock. >> well, it is. and to be a guest on my own show is quite novel.

all the while we stay part of the echr and that's becoming pretty obvious. the next effectively brexit line that's been drawn within the conservative party. will the backbenchers have the guts to vote it down? well, normally they march up to the top of the hill and they march back down again. most of them are a pretty spineless bunch . i hope that i'm spineless bunch. i hope that i'm proved wrong. what is for certain is that sunak is on course to lead the conservative party to their worst election result in modern times. and frankly , i think they deserve frankly, i think they deserve pretty much everything that's coming to them . that's enough coming to them. that's enough from me for now. but back to richard tice is nigel. >> thank you. well welcome back to your own show . and it's fair to your own show. and it's fair to your own show. and it's fair to say that you've already caught up on everything and you sound fired up, raring to go. but firstly, nigel, a massive congratulations getting to the final. we have been trying here at gb news and elsewhere, as

way these sort of things work. >> the echr backed down. >> the echr sort of backed down. >> the echrised, know what, the uk realised, you know what, the uk parliament, they parliament, this is what they want. they're representative of the going stop the people. we're going to stop this is what david this now and this is what david cameron to achieve cameron is trying to achieve right in right now, but he's in a complete different political context. i mean , we've got an context. i mean, we've got an election coming up . labour's not election coming up. labour's not going to do anything that's going to do anything that's going conservatives. going to help the conservatives. in mess over rwanda in fact, this mess over rwanda helps actually , because it helps them actually, because it makes the conservatives look like they can't deliver on their promises. >> yes. and there has been some pretty polling pretty damning polling out recently, least morning recently, not least this morning , rishi is just , that shows rishi sunak is just as unpopular as an individual, as unpopular as an indiv

their outrageous westminster as ireland takes uk to echr. he can go off some further. as far as i'm concerned, this guy needs to sort out his own problems in his own country. pm faces rebellion over heat, pumps. good. not before time. this is one i like, starmer for radical starmer argued for radical cleric qatada in deportation cleric abu qatada in deportation fight. sir keir starmer represented abu qatada in court as the notorious hate preacher fought to avoid deportation from the uk. we will add that to the list of wrong'uns we've already touched on, the guardian as well, but i know that there is a story on the inside . one of the story on the inside. one of the papers that's got my panel going, and it's about michelle mone. what's happening with michelle mone , i believe. michelle mone, i believe. christine well , as if michelle mone, i believe. christine well, as if this couldn't get even more extraordinary. >> they're the new european newspaper is going to sue her. possibly because now she's admitted lying to the press because , quote,

uh, 2 to 3 years later . court case at echr. uh, 2 to 3 years later.trong disincentive to people coming to britain. and uh, as as blair actually said, just return them, he said. so i think he's shown up. starmer uh, with his policy. but it's very similar. and, you know , kenya has mentioned and know, kenya has mentioned and uh, south africa for, uh, you know , more african origin , uh, know, more african origin, uh, um, uh, asylum seekers. so, um, you know, yes, i do think starmer should toughen up because he's been shown up by blair. >> okay. mike come back to that then. >> uh, well, i think the key point on this is that blair considered this and then swiftly rejected it as an unworkable policy, partly in terms of how it would the echr and it would impact on the echr and the of the scheme, as the morality of the scheme, as well just the fact well, but also just in the fact on that it would be on the grounds that it would be unworkable, would conflict on the grounds that it would be unwctheole, would conflict on the grounds that it would be unwcthe ech

that's it echr. it should. that's what it should has the right to should do.has the right to do should do it. but do it. and it should do it. but to try and do that now before an election the election election, even if the election even the election is at the even if the election is at the end of the we're still end of the year, we're still going to be arguing the legalities of it at a time when labour are just sitting back and just enjoying and you just enjoying the fight and you know , the tories to be know, the tories need to be taking fight to them. taking that fight to them. >> interesting, isn't >> it's interesting, isn't it, because what on because we don't know what on earth starmer would do earth keir starmer would do about these issues. about any of these issues. >> he wouldn't do anything. he literally anything literally wouldn't do anything but actually but and people actually deep down he's down know that he's not interested in doing anything about it. >> having that, mean, >> having said that, i mean, regardless of whether labour have come up wit

depends what mean universal. >> forget the echr was >> don't forget the echr was actually drafted bye was? yes >> who was a conservative. a conservative who was at my parents wedding. oh, really ? parents wedding. oh, really? >> actually, he coined the unfortunate phrase. >> did he loyalty as the tory party's secret weapon. >> later? yes. that's >> two weeks later? yes. that's that's. where did he enter an objection? no. but so i objection? no, no. but so i think that's right. but this is a long, long time ago . most of a long, long time ago. most of the things were about 1948. things have . changed things have. changed dramatically. we're going to have to rethink the hcr , have to rethink the hcr, particularly rule 39 rule intro . particularly rule 39 rule intro. it's not article 39. they've given them selves a power that they're not entitled to. those people are not in the know. that's about an injunction . that's about an injunction. >> an yes, yes. but they only call it an indication even they don't phrase it as something very bold. >> and before your time in my time, we used to

that is a debate for another day and, crucially, when it comes to stopping the boats now, leaving the echrian knot. emergency legislation would enable this only if it passes the foreign tests —— following test. it must address the supreme court was much concern about the safety of rwanda. secondly, the bill must enable flights before the next election by blocking off all routes of challenge, the powers to detain and remove must be exerciseable notwithstanding the human rights act, the european convention on human rights, the refugee convention, and all other international law. thirdly, the bill must remedy deficiencies in the illegal migration act to ensure that removals can take place within days, rather than allowing individual claims and challenges which dragged on for months. for, the bill must enable the administrative detention of illegal arrivals until they are removed. and just as we rapidly built nightingale hospitals to deal with covid, so we must build nightingale style detention facilities to deliver the necessary capacity. greece and turkey have done so. greece and turkey have

and now we're expected to believe that that james, let's not leave the echr and the rwanda plan is batshithas got it over the line. sunak didn't back suella he stands accused of ignonng suella he stands accused of ignoring immigration minister robert jenrick this robert jenrick law says you can't enter the country illegally . the country illegally. >> if you or i crossed an international border or literally broke into another country, we would expect to be treated very seriously. >> he broke into another country. you the who country. are you the people who come country. are you the people who con la country. are you the people who coni am, yeah. that's the phraseology. >> are you happy to use? >> are you happy to use? >> somebody if somebody >> i am. if somebody if somebody comes our country on a comes into our country on a small boat are breaking into our country. yes. they're coming into and flagrant into our country and flagrant breach rules . breach of our immigration rules. thatis breach of our immigration rules. that is wrong. i think it's doing untold damage to our country. yeah. i

and now we're expected to believe that that james, let's not leave the echr and the rwanda plan is batshithas got it over the line. sunak didn't back suella he stands accused of ignonng suella he stands accused of ignoring immigration minister robert jenrick this robert jenrick law says you can't enter the country illegally . the country illegally. >> if you or i crossed an international border or literally broke into another country, we would expect to be treated very seriously. >> he broke into another country. you the who country. are you the people who come country. are you the people who con la country. are you the people who coni am, yeah. that's the phraseology. >> are you happy to use? >> are you happy to use? >> somebody if somebody >> i am. if somebody if somebody comes our country on a comes into our country on a small boat are breaking into our country. yes. they're coming into and flagrant into our country and flagrant breach rules . breach of our immigration rules. thatis breach of our immigration rules. that is wrong. i think it's doing untold damage to our country. yeah. i

that's another level , echr. that's another level, isn't it?re legal challenges. and this is what the erg is so worried about. challenges. and this is what the erg is so worried about . well absolutely. >> and that's why the erg and suella braverman wanted to go for a full fat option where by no one could under any circumstances go to the courts and say that it was unsafe for them personally to be deported to rwanda . the government says to rwanda. the government says that's just not possible. there will be a few people and the government maintains that it will be very, very few people who it is not safe for them to go to rwanda. and the bill has to leave some wiggle room for those exceptional individuals . those exceptional individuals. that's the government's stance. but as you say, the erg has said over and over again that there are just too many holes in this bill. so it's all to play for tomorrow. the other factor, of course, is whether the left wing mps in the conservative party the one nation, as they call themselves , are going to fall.

won't apply , then the echr won't apply, then unfortunately, the bill is likely to be ineffective. >> do you think this matters to ordinary people? >> absolutely. i was out canvassing my patch on canvassing in my patch on saturday morning, got pretty "ippy saturday morning, got pretty nippy for two hours. this was the number one issue on the doorstep beyond other. doorstep beyond any other. i spoke to one guy and he summed it up very well. he said, look, i don't understand the i don't understand all the technical legalities of this. that's what i elect. people like you do whatever you've you for. but do whatever you've got do to get these flights got to do to get these flights off to rwanda so we can stop these boats coming over here. that's my that's summed up what my constituents were me constituents were telling me again again for two hours. again and again for two hours. >> do you think the pm, mr sunak gets anger about gets that, gets that anger about this issue? >> well, said unambiguously, >> well, he said unambiguously, we stop the boats, but we we must stop the boats, but we

it looks like they looked at, well, lots of different, quite radical proposals from ignoring the echrt else? remind me ? remind me? >> well , absolutely. i remind me? >> well, absolutely. i think what will strike pretty much everyone on on seeing this story is the striking resemblances to the policies talked about by tony blair's top team in the late 90s and early 2000, and the policies being discussed now by rishi sunak . conservative rishi sunak. conservative government , as you say, there government, as you say, there were quite a few ideas thrown around in a in a conversation which and the notes is entitled useful brainstorming. there was anidea useful brainstorming. there was an idea to send migrants to the isle of mull . an idea to send migrants to the isle of mull. uh, that was an idea that was taken from the australian playbook . australia australian playbook. australia at the time had successfully detained migrants all in one place, and it was working well for them. lord powell suggested doing something similar in the u.k. there was another idea to send migrants to the falkla

and he fought for his life through the echr . life through the echr. >> is that what the echr is for? threatened canines ? to protect threatened canines? oh my god. well, i think, i think how much did that cost the taxpayer ? taxpayer? >> how much did that cost the taxpayer? people how people taxpayer? people how if people have was dog owned by a have was a dog owned by a terrorist, it. >> no, it was not. it was >> no, no, it was not. it was a very young dog at the time that got that bit. another dog got into that bit. another dog anyway. got anyway. yeah. keir starmer got involved and helped save this anyway. yeah. keir starmer got involvlife.nd helped save this dog's life. >> but andrew, he was a lawyer a bit like being actor, you bit like being an actor, you know, actor . play parts. i know, an actor. play parts. i have a daughter played in have a daughter who played in vera a killer, but she's not a murderer. she played a tory in one. >> you must have been . how did >> you must have been. how did you get a wink of sleep? >> she's not a conservative. >> she's not a conservative. >>

on to try and echr across large areas; of the echr across large areas which the rwandans said they weren'tow it to ahead, be to make to go ahead, but to be to make it a choice in an election , an it a choice in an election, an back me. we pull out the echr just go bold and there's a chance i think to pull the party around but the left won't like that. we're back into this place of hard, soft brexit with the government. so it's fascinating andifs government. so it's fascinating and it's all going to play out live this this channel live on this on this channel over next few days. over the next few days. >> well, been a busy bee. >> well, you've been a busy bee. thank very always thank you very much. always a pleasure, chris. thank you very much us in the much for joining us in the studio. great have here. studio. great to have you here. moving now, police moving on now, french police officers gb news they moving on now, french police offi overwhelmed gb news they moving on now, french police offi overwhelmed byi news they moving on now, french police offi overwhelmed byi ne scale zy are over

for the echr.cked the troubles reconciliation, legacy and reconciliation, legacy and reconciliation bill. and the reason we don't back it is because it's the final murdering of justice. but that murder of justice has started in 1998. and for 25 years has brought us to this point . however, it is the this point. however, it is the rank hypocrisy of the republic of ireland state who, as you quite rightly say, have effectively been operating a policy of not investigating or pursuing pre 1998 crimes for them to take this moral high ground and to call out the uk state. as much as i feel it is wrong that legacy and reconciliation bill, it's there. it's up front. it's obviously been legislated for and it's in law . um, so, been legislated for and it's in law. um, so, you been legislated for and it's in law . um, so, you know, there is law. um, so, you know, there is an absolute hypocrisy of position there. and that must be called out now , this isn't the called out now, this isn't the only legal challenge

that the french cabinet is not as obsessed with the echr as half our cabinet.that is part of the problem . but i think the of the problem. but i think the british people want these boats stopped and they want their legislators to do whatever is necessary. sir bill cash will tell us this afternoon whether or not that bill is fit for purpose. all right . purpose. all right. >> you're going to stay with us. mark because now if the prime minister didn't have enough on his plate week, the his plate this week, he's at the covid inquiry all day today. >> yeah, giving his >> yeah, he's giving his evidence about ten minutes evidence in about ten minutes time. speak to gb news time. so let's speak to gb news reporter ray addison , who is reporter ray addison, who is outside the inquiry. good morning, ray. i believe rishi sunak already arrived . and sunak has already arrived. and was there a little bit of heckling going on? yeah absolutely. >> there was from protesters here, bereaved families chanting and jeering towards the prime minister and accusing him of putting publ