what is the downside of leaving the echr. because the echr must give must give us things.y coming out of it, what do we lose ? what do we lose? >> well, people like sean and the labour mps, keir starmer and others primarily would argue that we'll lose international standing in the world, that being a member of an international european court is a source of soft power and legitimacy, and they would argue that we need to work together with other states to solve this issue. what i would argue is that human rights laws have evolved to such a point that they are now routinely used by people who should not be in our country, who are often committing crimes. one thing keir starmer does not mention, by the way, when he's talking about the prison, issue and the lack of space in prison, is we have 10,000 foreign criminals. it's estimated in britain's prisons, 10,000. they shouldn't be in britain. they're foreign criminals , foreign national criminals, foreign national criminals. why can't we deport them? because routinely they appeal to the echr to rights within the european convent

so i don't think we should leave echr. i'm disappointed.hink the refugee convention doesn't work, and we should leave that. i mean, you didn't mention the 1967 protocol. the original convention was really about refugees in europe after the second world war in 1967. that was actually, expanded to the rest of the world. and we signed up to that. >> it's a good thing. it's a pious thing. it's a holy thing, but it's utterly impractical. we cannot create a right for three quarters of a billion people. it's dishonest to keep on saying that we have created that right. if they all came here, we would take it away. >> yeah, but they're not all coming here, are they? >> well, lots of them are trying. >> so if we're talking, we're talking about, as far as britain is concerned with people crossing the channel, that's much smaller than france and other other european countries. if we're talking about legal migration, much of that was actually designed by your lot when they were in government. i accept that, on things like what they wanted to fund univer

i mean, i firmly believe that the echr has become more activist. yes.ou know, there was a ruling against the swiss government not long ago on meeting net zero targets, etc. but your party has i mean, the conservative party has no position on this. >> look, so. so we were at sixes and sevens, you know that during the last government, it's very striking that the leadership candidates generally actually left the government on this issue and said very openly that unless we're serious about leaving the echr, we're not going to solve this. and tugendhat recently, rather surprisingly, because he's seen as being more on the left of the party, said, we've got to we've got to put that on the table. so clearly the leadership contenders realise, as i think you do, that if we're in the echr, we there's very little we can do. >> well this is the i mean bill, you know, i made the point earlier that, you know, that last labour government, i mean, you i mean, if you came to britain illegally, your feet didn't touch the sides, you were gone.i didn't touch the sides, you

and it's interesting that 68% support leaving the echr.big of the 910 tory members surveyed. so that's a massive point. and listen to this. more than half, 56% would have a freeze on all migration into the uk. oh no, sorry, 57% would have a freeze on all migration into the uk for the next five years. so it shows how kind of, you know, fairly radical people have become on immigration. so the tories need to get wise to that. and either, like i say, incorporate farage or they'll be destroyed. >> but so if 51% don't like the idea, if they merge, 51% stop voting, they could lose 51% of the tory vote and gain all of the tory vote and gain all of the 5 million people who voted for reform reform think they're going to gain some labour votes, don't they? >> and that's been borne out. there was a survey last week, 14%, i don't know exactly what the question was, but they were asking labour voters who would they put second. and they said tories were only 6% of those people. and reform were 14, which is. that's pretty crazy. i mean, it doesn't necessa

having had the concept of a fair trial for as long as we've had it far longer than the than the echr,irritates me. the idea that that we actually gain anything from from this document substantively as law, we don't. they all exist and pre—exist the concept, the creation of the document as english legal principles. but what on earth the home secretary thinks it's doing? now, i don't want to get too hysterical, jacob, because we still have the best judges in the world. so that second principle, the idea that nobody's trials should actually be compromised because the home secretary and the home office have done this. well, i trust ourjudges have done this. well, i trust our judges to correct have done this. well, i trust ourjudges to correct it, but it our judges to correct it, but it will require corrective action by the judiciary. it will require our judges to deftly avoid this whopping mistake that the home secretary has made . and the home secretary has made. and it it really, if that's where we're going, if everybody who is arrested of a crime is automatically decried as a criminal,

and leaving the echr is not in and of itself the thing that will change immigration.on this? >> yeah, well, i'm just on that point alone. she's absolutely right. you can't just jump out the echr and not have a plan because it will be immediately open to criticism. a lot of people that don't understand the echr will immediately think it's some sort of nazi move when it's not. and back to badenoch, though. i mean, through the prism of identity politics. kemi badenoch is kryptonite to the current labour party. she'll become, a black woman leader of the opposition. and because they've spent so much of their time focusing on those on those attributes, human attributes of people, it will make it very difficult for them . and i don't difficult for them. and i don't think that's been lost on these guardian journalists and anyone else involved. aside from that , else involved. aside from that, she's also one of the few, in the leadership race that are actually conservative. so if you look at the tom tugendhat and everyone else associated with him , they're very central. yeah,

the echr., because if you win this contest, partly on the basis of saying we're going to leave and that's it , saying we're going to leave and that's it, you will go back to a parliamentary party, many of whom will say, i'm sorry, i'm not going with that. >> few of them must have . >> few of them must have. >> few of them must have. >> and that doesn't drive unity, to be fair. but what i would say as a matter of principle is i will not allow the echr or anything else for that matter, stand in the way of us being able to deliver an effective deterrent to illegal crossings, because that we know is the element that drives solving the problem, a form of rwanda i think should definitely, definitely be on the table. look, we saw with albania where you had a returns policy and people coming here going straight back, the numbers dropped by 90%. >> people are coming here safe country. should they be able to stay yes or no? well, if they're genuine refugees coming under genuine refugees coming under genu

echr on the echr yes or again. echr on the echr yes or no, would you leave?i think i've said that many times. absolutely yes. now, the next question we've got is from aggie lbc. >> hi, aggie. well there you have it. he's no martin luther king, but robert jenrick does have a clear vision for the conservative party. he said the party has got to change a lot or it has no future. he said they lost the election because of a cycle of broken promises. he wants to break that cycle. he criticised labour for sacrificing jobs at the altar of net zero, and he talked about the threat of the hard left on sir keir starmer's premiership. he said the roots of britain's problems are not only red and blue, but that the conservatives have the answer if they can unite. and he was pretty harsh about the nhs . he said that about the nhs. he said that there are 20% more doctors and nurses than there were five years ago, but no more patients being treated. he talked about quangos and he talked about donkeys in back offices in an almost johnsonian lyrical flair. well, there you go. fi

leave the echr reform the human rights act.nd i think it's fair to say, have an active deterrent alongside those two things, because if we don't, michelle, what we've seen recently, the immigration protests, which is exactly what they were by the way, not just, you know, far right thuggery or whatever the labour party wants to call them. they're going to grow and grow and grow. we have to regain control of our borders, because if we don't , the british people if we don't, the british people are going to get more and more frustrated and fed up with the state of politics on both the left and the right. >> can i ask you a question on this safe and legal route? because i hear this all the time. have you had safe and legal routes? but then, i mean, surely if you've got an island with finite space, then it's not logical nor practical to offer every single country in the land, because which country now has not got some form of turmoil within it? i mean, you can probably count those countries on a, you know, a small piece of papen on a

the echr i mean, this is obscene. it's i'm calling it operation gotham asylum .sylum. you just released prisoners. >> and steve's point that it was mostly tories. >> i do take that, but but i do also take your point that starmer now is putting in all these new political prisoners, and that is bound to exacerbate the problem. but i actually wrote down the same as steve neil o'brien going off about, you know, we need to leave the echr. it's like you did have 14 years to do it. so yeah, i do think that's a reasonable point because dominic cummings said, you know, you've just got to leave the echr because these people are gaming the system, which they have. but no one had the guts to do it. >> why didn't they? i mean, what i don't understand about the tories is they didn't really do any of the things that they felt they wanted to do. whereas as soon as labour comes in, bam, they get rid of the higher education freedom of speech act overnight, just before parliament goes into recess. so you can't even have a debate about it. they are just brutal with their. it's becau

. >> yeah well you say that but the echr. oh so i spoke to her former lawyer.former lawyer yesterday who said they're going to take it to the echr. >> or i suppose keir starmer could give her a free pass. well, i hope he does. >> i mean, echr sides with shamima begum, which apparently they might do because they obviously deal with a lot of other european countries, and there have been similar ish, not quite like this similar ish cases there. and those people have come back , and keir starmer have come back, and keir starmer says he won't deviate from the echr will he. so we'd get shamima wouldn't we. yeah. anyway sean who's your guy? >> my greatest britain's jeremy clarkson for his analysis on the riots written in the sun. he brought some great nuance to the debate. i believe it needs some nuance and i think he expressed some of what a lot of people around the country will be feeling. and i really appreciate the way that he tried to bring a bit of nuance to it. he's a really good just just kind of paraphrase what it was that he said. >> he basically said, posho

because will shamima begum used the echr to get back into britain?n my panel tonight is the director of popular conservatives, mark littlewood, landlord and activist adam brookes and author and journalist rebecca reed. oh yes. and can you guess what happens next? here . get ready happens next? here. get ready britain, here we go . britain, here we go. tinderbox britain holds its breath. next . breath. next. >> good evening from the gb newsroom. it'sjust >> good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone. 9:00. your headlines. thousands of counter protesters have taken to the streets across england as police braced for further unrest. hundreds of counter protesters have gathered in hackney, liverpool and rotherham , hackney, liverpool and rotherham, whilst they've also been reported in walthamstow, bristol and birmingham and aldershot. thousands of specialist officers are braced to respond and prosecutors are considering whether to apply terrorism charges. meanwhile, the home secretary has thanked all police officers for their work tonight to protec

creating the echr itself as a living, breathing document. idea that we can't we are not some law abiding nation. we just want to be able to have some semblance of control. and i don't think that's asking for the world. >> we wouldn't be a law abiding nafion >> we wouldn't be a law abiding nation if we then broke international law. so if we were , international law. so if we were, if we chose to leave the european convention on human rights, we'd be joining russia and belarus as the other people who also don't obey international law . international law. >> i imagine there's quite a difference between what we would do and what they do, though, nigel. but we'll leave it there. nigel. but we'll leave it there. nigel nelson, thank you very much for i do appreciate you joining me, especially after you've been on there for the last two hours. right, folks, we're going to bring in the former police officer and border control expert, henry bolton. henry thank you very much for your company. you've heard what nigel has had to say there, his analysis. w

>> look it's a major problem and i think that we've got to come out of the echr echr.e this. and this is why, i mean, i voted for brexit to control our borders, but unfortunately we're still in it . unfortunately we're still in it. no, but when we're still in the echr that's another element of it that we need to ensure we come out of. >> andy, what do you think? >> andy, what do you think? >> i just it's always it always seems to be the solution for people on the right seems to be if we just leave this one thing, if we just leave this one thing, if we just blow this up. no, it's more complicated than that. it's a really, really difficult problem. it's a combination of building relationships with our european allies, which we're rebuilding. it's a conversation of dealing with it at source. i don't think it's going to be as straightforward as keir starmer. britain i don't think it's. >> well, it's creating a pull i mean, for whatever reason. >> 14 years of conservative government seems to have made it that way. >> and it's always been that way, unfortunately. >> well, ok

immigration echr rejuvenation.er points for a new leader, which of those do you think is the is the most important? >> i think the most important gets the party to sort itself out. she she made the point in that that the moderates seem to have taken over, that the right wing were the were the mps who lost their seats , and it does lost their seats, and it does seem to me that that's a reasonable analysis and also shows that if you just just elected by a huge majority, a party which is left of centre, the wrong way of going is to go right of centre to combat it all right. >> but if you look at the votes, so the tories went roughly from 14 million votes to down 7 million votes. reform went from pretty much 0 to 4 million votes and 2.3 million who previously voted conservative, stayed at home, leaving about 800,000 conservatives who went off and voted labour and libdem the pools of votes that we can wing back are not in the middle , back are not in the middle, middle ground well, but the british voter tends to be a mo

not a word about echr has passed his lips now in. i don't know how long he's been in power.hink he he will finish somewhere near last anyway, because the politics of the conservative party, such as they exist today, are to the right. and so i am. i don't rate him at all, and i don't rate actually many of the people that are actually fighting this campaign. >> and yet he was trying to start a conversation today, or at least contributing to a conversation that clearly the country has been having this sense of law and order, or perhaps i should say lawlessness and disorder will bring paul richards in. now he put a charge towards the labour party. keir starmer, a lawyer, not a leader. jess phillips, the home office minister who seemed to make excuses for some of the disorder we saw. >> well, it's a nice alliterative phrase , isn't it? alliterative phrase, isn't it? and he's trying to get a headune and he's trying to get a headline out of it. but i mean, starmer has come down on the rioters like a ton of bricks. you can't say he hasn't been tough. you can't say that he doesn't kn

and ears with paper, then cockroaches can crawl in there, it follows from the same report, which the echrd to pay attention to, they write french dreams: most often you have to sleep on the floor, because there is no space in correctional institutions no, in a cell 9 km according to the same media of the fifth republic there are three people is all this legal? in the criminal procedure code of france there are more than 1.00 articles, and despite the abundance of all this legal material, there, for example, they are spelled out, the status of a suspect, accused and defendant is not clearly regulated, the criminal procedure code of france, it is primarily focused on regulating the rights of investigators, interrogators, judicial police, change the law or not, yes, but on earth, when there is no control over law enforcement agencies, and people have no access to the outside world, then it turns out that maybe some changes in the law appeared there after the eleventh year. but in practice they often remain completely insensitive. the prisoners of the niifa castle are more likely to be macron

immigration echr rejuvenation. points for a new leader, which of those do you think is the is the most important? >> i think the most important gets the party to sort itself out. she she made the point in that that the moderates seem to have taken over, that the right wing were the were the mps who lost their seats , and it does lost their seats, and it does seem to me that that's a reasonable analysis and also shows that if you just just elected by a huge majority, a party which is left of centre, the wrong way of going is to go right of centre to combat it all right. >> but if you look at the votes, so the tories went roughly from 14 million votes to down 7 million votes. reform went from pretty much 0 to 4 million votes and 2.3 million who previously voted conservative, stayed at home, leaving about 800,000 conservatives who went off and voted labour and libdem the pools of votes that we can wing back are not in the middle , back are not in the middle, middle ground well, but the british voter tends to be a mode

and, and the echr would have just waved them through. so that was the weakness. >> is kwasi right?eakness. >> is kwasi right ? lloyd >> is kwasi right? lloyd russell—moyle the mistake was not even to try and make rwanda work because, according to the tory government, as we know dunng tory government, as we know during the campaign , it was during the campaign, it was about the flights about to take off. why not let some flights take off proving to be a failure? if it's a failure and then move on? >> well, the problem with the rwanda scheme is it wasn't actually a scheme on how to become a refugee in the uk. it was a scheme where we bundled people off to rwanda. and if you're if you were, then processed, you stayed in rwanda, you couldn't come back. yeah. and it was also a scheme that the most vulnerable refugees from rwanda that might have got to rwanda via neighbouring countries . so the flights were countries. so the flights were then repatriated back to britain. so we had to have the cost of all these very vulnerable refugees that rwanda would send to us in a, in a, in a for tat

. >> very difficult because we're stuck with echr is what i would argue.'s move on. >> well, no, let's not go down the echr. i'm afraid that's what stops us. well, it isn't, it's because the government, the previous government allowed the backlog to increase, to increase, increase. and every now and again they'd come up with another wacky idea. rwanda would have cost a fortune and would have cost a fortune and would have cost a fortune and would have probably had one plane taken off, would have taken you know, a couple of boatloads of people. >> it was i mean, the idea was the idea was it was to be a disincentive, but it never, ever happened. now, operation scatter is the new plan, and that means rather, i think the peak was 420 hotels that were completely filled around the country. but labour have got a much better plan. we won't use visible hotels , we won't use visible hotels, we won't use visible military sites. what we'll do is we will scatter people amongst social housing allocation and amongst the private rented sector. it will no doubt be more expe

>> my question here is why do people always talk about the echr when we should be talking about the 51ntion, which, if i'm not mistaken , tony blair if i'm not mistaken, tony blair made a speech about in the early 2000 saying this is outdated. this was for a time when very few people could move around the world. i mean, there weren't there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't, you know, mass migration. we're in a very different age now. why is the 51 convention still in place? well well, partly because it speaks to an idealism which i think is fair. >> i mean, if someone knocks on your door and says, i need help, your door and says, i need help, you don't say to them, no, because you pass by several doors before you got to me. you're obliged as a fellow human being to consider them because they are where they are. they're also very good reasons why some people might not choose to stay in one country, but move on to another. it might be safer. they might know people there. they might know people there. they might have profound cultural links to that place. bu

>> my question here is why do people always talk about the echr when we should be talking about the 51n, which, if i'm not mistaken , tony blair if i'm not mistaken, tony blair made a speech about in the early 2000 saying this is outdated. this was for a time when very few people could move around the world. i mean, there weren't there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't, you know, mass migration. we're in a very different age now. why is the 51 convention still in place? well well, partly because it speaks to an idealism which i think is fair. >> i mean, if someone knocks on your door and says, i need help, your door and says, i need help, you don't say to them, no, because you pass by several doors before you got to me. you're obliged as a fellow human being to consider them because they are where they are. they're also very good reasons why some people might not choose to stay in one country, but move on to another. it might be safer. they might know people there. they might know people there. they might have profound cultural links to that place. but fr

but they then go to the echr.g that they need to stay for here family reasons. >> the government says it's got no plans for this. i should say ho. 110. >> no. >> but they always say no. >> but they always say no. >> they always say, well, you're both you're both politicians. you know what that means. i was going to do it. how can i? >> i've got the leader of the labour party saying over and over again, read my lips, it ain't going to happen. and you are saying, i don't believe a word he says, well, i'm sorry, who's to blame? >> okay, what this is all about next year's renegotiation of the trade and co—operation agreement, isn't it? there's trade offs to be made on freedom of movement over access for other parts. and is it a price worth paying to allow young ones to come here from the eu to get better and better access, maybe for food or medical supplies? veterinary supplies? is that not a trade off to be done? >> i mean, the thing for me, it's not about europe, it's about global britain. and that's why i voted to

or after a year, there is still such an institution called the european court of human rights, the echr and many ukrainian citizens, they decided one or another of their cases that the ukrainian courts could not decide, or they decided them not in the way that our citizens would like, to what extent will the ecthr be active in this process now, or can they, will they not accept? those cases, well, look, here we must surely look at the reaction of our western partners, and the fsb in vryasakh, they spread such a narrative that if we vote for this bill, then we will have problems with the european integration path, let's not vote, but i emphasize, i spoke with various people's deputies from various factions, there are no reservations or information from our western partners that any problems may arise in connection with this bill. well , what could be more democratic than you inform, prove in court, then a decision appears in the name of ukraine, well, this is not the time of the nkvd, when they took everyone , packed them up and left, well, that is, there is an evidence base, there are p

now it's going to the echr, charlie. so how perverse will it be that if britain ends up in the position where it has used its sovereignty to actually make a decision and stand resolutely behind said decision only for a foreign court to say, well, actually, you've got to have this person back because you can't just strip her of her nafionhood. you can't just strip her of her nationhood . that would be, would nationhood. that would be, would it not, a real boiling point for the nation ? the nation? >> well, it would be, but it would be just one example and it would be just one example and it would be just one example and it would be one where, you know, i don't think if that is the situation and it's something that the uk hasn't been involved in before, then it's a case of who blinks first. now i'm a huge respect for the legal profession. i know lots of lawyers and people and i, you know, i it is absolutely right that we uphold the rule of law. >> and we i heard a little bird talk. well, you know, i quite like the wig and,

the echr is embedded within the human rights act, the equalities act, and effectively, what they did open the floodgates to effectively divorcing the relationship between the directly elected mps and the people. and what you've now got is loads of quangos, which have been disintermediated between us, the elected mps, and we are the elected part of government effectively, you know, in, in 1688, one of the greatest moments of british history. we embedded all this in, in the glorious revolution and the declaration of rights. so this has all been undermined by blair. you've got to look at the root causes of what's causing this. and i put out a tweet this morning. obviously, we want peaceful demonstrations . we want peaceful demonstrations. we don't want people to be violent. but the police have got to police everybody equally and fairly and they've got to apply the same rules to every part of our society. so i think, i think this is a crisis of the elites making. it started with blair and it continued under the tories, under may, under boris, under under , you know, with an under under,

the ongoing conversation about the echr and robert jenrick, one of the candidates told gb news his viewst last night have come to the conclusion that in that programme of reform, we need to leave the european convention on human rights. >> i don't think it's reformable. i think that's a comfort blanket that some adopt, and it would be akin to david cameron's attempt to renegotiate our relationship with the eu. >> well , also yesterday, gb news >> well, also yesterday, gb news political editor christopher hope, spoke to the shadow home ask you about that to ask you about that james cleverly thing. i mean, christopher hope chopper throwing punches, that's what it sounds like. i mean, it's quite interesting that response, isn't it really. i wonder if he's tough enough for the job. >> i think i imagine he's been asked about migration. i imagine he has been asked about certain decisions that he will very much say, that wasn't me as home secretary. that was people before me as home secretary, which may well be true , because which may well be true, because when he came in, he did bring in some

farage said farage is able then to have the easy answer, which is let's pull out the echr.t's have one in, one out on on net migration. so the tory party has has said what the problems are, but not have the answers. farage has the answers and i don't know why . answers. farage has the answers and i don't know why. none of the none of these candidates want to think, well, let's talk to farage work out a way round and working together. he says he wants to the tory party. he wants to the tory party. he wants to the tory party. he wants to build up in his own image. there's so much there's so much common ground between farage and so many conservatives. it is surprising to me. >> it is fair to to me. >> it is fairto say to me. >> it is fair to say that before the general election there was quite a lot of roses between the teeth from both sides. nigel farage himself said well, i wouldn't join this conservative party intimating there may be a future route in that route has been slammed down. the drawbridge has been pulled up. there's no way around that. and so the story is what do

responsible corporation has to follow due process and due process these days is increasingly complicated and echr but the bbc has got long form on this. in the sense that they are their own judge and jury in terms of deciding what the right course of action is. there's no independent input into how the bbc is supervised, and there is a the result is that there's been a series of the i've been monitoring the bbc professionally for over 25 years now, and there's a long history of them , not being transparent of them, not being transparent enoughin of them, not being transparent enough in these issues. >> there is a board there. there's a board of, of governors. i mean , there's there governors. i mean, there's there is a degree of oversight, isn't there, of tim davie. >> yes, that's that's the way it works. but there's no independent input of those. once those people are appointed, they are part of the bbc structure and most public bodies in the uk when there are complaints about how an organisation behaves, have a system for a public body, an independent body, to be involved in some way. and the b

most of the - candidates are going for leaving the echr, i wonder what you think about it personally?ader l've yet — leader? so who i want to be tory leader i've yet to _ leader? so who i want to be tory leader i've yet to decide, - leader? so who i want to be tory leader i've yet to decide, a - leader? so who i want to be tory leader i've yet to decide, a few. leader i've yet to decide, a few candidates stick out like kemi badenoch and robertjenrick but we have a hustings in the house of lords and we are able to get under the issues. what i'm looking for is someone who understands it is not enough to say bring people together but you need to do that and have a reason for existing, what is the conservative party for and what we need, what is our voter coalition, that is what i want to see also someone who will take on the labour party. the labour party to my mind has of things its own way. and that needs strong leadership to turn it around. ,, ., ., , , around. sienna rogers, we see riotin: around. sienna rogers, we see rioting on _ around. sienna rogers, we see rioting on our— around

i asked him everything from the echr have come to the conclusion that in that programme of reform, wen human rights to what the net migration cap should be. would your target net migration figure be if you were to be prime minister to whether we should pause net zero can and should decarbonise our economy over time. >> but we shouldn't, should we? >> but we shouldn't, should we? >> do you really care ? i'll also >> do you really care? i'll also be revealing what i think the next tory leader must commit to. if the tories want

flight over to berlin , the flight over to berlin, philip says, surely it's time to not only leave the echr too. philip i think you've hit the nail on the head. new figures released yesterday showed there are just 100 spaces left in male prisons across england and wales , across england and wales, according to the ministry of justice. it comes after the activation of early dawn, where defendants in active court cases are kept in police cells until standard prison spaces are available. however, today, the ministry of justice has promised everyone the pressure has eased significantly, blaming the bank houday significantly, blaming the bank holiday that didn't offer a revised capacity. well, with me now is nick hardwick, former chief inspector of prisons. nick, thank you very much for joining me. do bank holidays generally cause a problem for prison release schedules ? prison release schedules? >> you generally have a bit of a dip in the population after a holiday, so you always get a big dip at christmas. for instance , dip at christmas. for instance, and a smaller dip at bank holidays simply

at the moment, and shamima begum could use the echr to come back to britain. >> splendid.her. i'll be back tomorrow night, 8 pm. still on state of the nation. well jacob enjoys his well—earned holiday. see you then. do tune in. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news . on gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. tomorrow is going to feel pretty warm and humid and after a dry start for many, it's going to turn dull, with quite a few of us seeing outbreaks of rain and drizzle. not from this area of low pressure, but actually from this rather innocuous looking set of weather fronts. the low to the north, though, is still providing some hefty showers across northern scotland . still across northern scotland. still pretty gusty here as well. a blustery night across the far north. elsewhere, the winds are easing. there'll be some clearer spells, a few showers across northern england, but they're tending to fade and then we'll see the cloud, rain and drizzle spilling into south wales and sout

responsible corporation has to follow due process and due process these days is increasingly complicated and echrbut the bbc has got long form on this. in the sense that they are their own judge and jury in terms of deciding what the right course of action is. there's no independent input into how the bbc is supervised, and there is a the result is that there's been a series of the i've been monitoring the bbc professionally for over 25 years now, and there's a long history of them , not being transparent of them, not being transparent enoughin of them, not being transparent enough in these issues. >> there is a board there. there's a board of, of governors. i mean , there's there governors. i mean, there's there is a degree of oversight, isn't there, of tim davie. >> yes, that's that's the way it works. but there's no independent input of those. once those people are appointed, they are part of the bbc structure and most public bodies in the uk when there are complaints about how an organisation behaves, have a system for a public body, an independent body, to be involved in some way. and the bb