the echr _ country. but you can deport. them. the echr intervention country.courts have to hear the cases through to the end. theyjust send them back to the british courts and it's perfectly possible to go through that process. it wasn't the echr decision that ultimately needed to stop that, it would have happened. i ultimately needed to stop that, it would have happened.- it would have happened. i think he would dispute _ it would have happened. i think he would dispute that - it would have happened. i think he would dispute that and - he would dispute that and suggest the decisions were based _ suggest the decisions were based on guidance and implication of the echr. and as i say, _ implication of the echr. and as i say, based on his experience. this— i say, based on his experience. this is— i say, based on his experience. this is not— i say, based on his experience. this is not an ideological position. this is based out of direct— position. this is based out of direct experience, and something he believed very strongly is this solution. and in this— strongl

time to ditch the echr?ts in the echr and that's why three senior officers of the special air service have written to the government asking for this to be activated . how easy is that? the activated. how easy is that? the general public do not want to see british soldiers victimise and then put in put in courts of law for stuff that they thought was right. and we have already fought a legal case against. they want to support our british soldiers by supporting british soldiers, by activating the article 15. this will get our recruitment and retention . recruitment and retention. >> well, well, well. the. okay. we're going to have to leave it there. i'm afraid . well, you there. i'm afraid. well, you know, the terrorists couldn't take down matthew haniyeh, but an internet connection did. but it's an absolute pleasure having you on the show. thank you very much. now, in a moment, i'll be joined by the legendary jeffrey archer after an oxford professor has claimed that university students are no longer able to r

is the echr the problem here?ary >> no, i made a documentary which wasn't a great ratings success as the bbc with andrew neil called rights gone wrong question mark. we'll all watch it now. absolutely. i hope it's available on youtube. it was up against the chelsea match, so it didn't do too well. and we start we actually literally started the documentary with andrew neil stroking blofeld style a stuffed cat because theresa may had said as home secretary that the judges are taking into account whether or not a cat, whether or not somebody's cat meant that they couldn't, their ownership of a cat meant they couldn't. they couldn't be deported. it's not the laws, it's the implementation of them and the conservatives, even those who want to get rid of the echr. so there'd be a british bill of rights . it will have something rights. it will have something similar in it. it will be appued similar in it. it will be applied in the same way. this case looks pretty. it looks like the judges made the wrong decision. from wha

the only way to leave the echr.nly way to leave the echr is to put it in a manifesto and win an election. otherwise, the undemocratic house of lords will block it at every opportunity. and andrew says kemi has been completely misrepresented and she obviously didn't mean what many have implied. she's in favour didn't mean what many have imjthei. she's in favour didn't mean what many have imjthe uk.ie's in favour didn't mean what many have imjthe uk. its in favour didn't mean what many have imjthe uk. its in favwe're at for the uk. it shows we're at the forefront of another energy revolution. coal was a key part of the industrial revolution, but we've now made technological progress, and it now means that we can generate electricity in the uk without relying on the most polluting of sources of energy. coal produces twice as much carbon dioxide per unit of electricity that than gas, and so we've been very successful in moving away from coal. we now rely for most of our electricity on renewables, clean renewables and ab

as you mentioned the echr you know he's leaving it, he's leaving echr, he's leaving the echr i didn't pillow talk . >> yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great pillow talk. hamas are terrorists and he's leaving the echr that that jumper. >> oh my god, what was he thinking? i do think what's interesting is, is generic seems to be sort of peddling the exact same lines for me. what made me quite dislike him is the fact that he said that anybody that says allahu akbar would be arrested . i think that's absurd. arrested. i think that's absurd. i mean, every muslim says that phrase, every time they pray five times a day. so i think that anybody that understands and i say it every time i step on lego. well, well , it's on lego. well, well, it's definitely a phrase that you might you might end up saying if you're familiar with it. i think what's interesting about kemi is she does seem to stand for free markets, for capitalism, for individual liberty. and those are principles i'm quite attracted to. but again, i think both of them lack that kind of conviction and energy. i think the conservative party is

and that's what the echr says. surprising you know, after everything that happenedin you know, after everything that happened in iran, iraq, our forces, american forces, the way they treated prisoners, are we still having this conversation? how are we still having the conversation ? of course, you conversation? of course, you should have to jump through hoops. the point is, and that's exactly what the echr says. you have to balance it. i mean, like henry was just saying, it says, yes, you have to balance their rights with theirs. and there's always exceptions for national security, if you can, if you can demonstrate it was essential or important for national security , important for national security, then that's fine. and also, i mean, just really quickly on jenrick's point , generally, jenrick's point, generally, i think, i mean, to be honest, i mean, i was about to say i'm not sure quite, you know, what he was saying, but to be honest, i don't think even he knew what he was saying. on the one hand, he's saying,

it's called, the echr.chr. yeah . and that was with echr. yeah. and that was with central heating. no, exactly . central heating. no, exactly. but although that's on the decline . but so it is a tricky decline. but so it is a tricky thing getting out of it. although other european countries are also having their issues with it. and the problem issues with it. and the problem is that this is what we've seen is that this is what we've seen is people abuse the system. and this was exactly this was not intended. this article eight thing, if you want to get all specific, was not intended for this purpose. but of course the lawyers get in there and they've managed. now, we don't want this albanian guy who's a maybe he's had a turnaround, i don't know. but he was here. he came over , but he was here. he came over, he did a burglary. that's not a good thing. and he was sent back thatis good thing. and he was sent back that is good that he was sent back. now he's had a kid who knows. and he was sent back as part of

i mean, do you fully >> another referendum echr. i mean, dother fully >> another referendum echr.ernational >> well, the international airport in beirut remains open for the moment, but with explosions in the hezbollah stronghold near the airport, that window is rapidly closing. >> leave or remain. boris johnson wants another referendum and this time it's on the echr. how would you vote? >> and this sunday, it's national grandparents day and the soap actress sherrie hewson from corrie joins us shortly to tell us what it was like to become a nana. that's what her grandchildren call her. >> another referendum echr. i mean, do you fully understand the implications? do you think that can be put across to the viewers and people in this country? what the implications of it are? >> well, some would argue that was the same situation with the brexit vote. they accused leavers of not knowing what they were voting for and what the implications would be. >> i don't think it's the same . >> i don't think it's the same. no, because you can actually see what the echr does and you've already got

we can leave the echr for a start.g the safety and security of the british people ahead of international and european courts. and we can start saying that if we don't have enough space in our prisons, we're not going to spend £4 million of taxpayers money doing up prisons in albania. we're actually going to deport the 11,000 foreign national criminals in uk prisons and create space for criminals here in the uk and keep them in prison. >> but you can't you can't just deport people just because they are originally albanian. as you say, because of international law, because of british law . and law, because of british law. and you say we could leave the echr, but we haven't left it, whereas this thing is going to happen straight away. >> we're doing this. it's a symptom of how our legal infrastructure, our legal system, is not set up to put the british people ahead of international courts and conventions. now, the conservative leadership campaign, which is underway at the moment, i'm not saying i support any of the candid

people always say, well, only belarus and russia aren't in the echr.ither are canada, japan and australia. and they're not exactly despotic. regimes are they? people say, oh, winston churchill, he helped he helped to create the thing, didn't he? all right. well, winston churchill did not help to create it. so that albanian drug lords and islamist terrorists could be told that they could stay in britain by a judge from a country that is essentially a hernia on the stomach of italy. we need to either ignore the echr or leave. let's get the thoughts of my panel. i am joined, as ever, by the columnist and broadcaster esther clark, who we've also got the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, steven wolf, and the journalist jonathan lis. >> that is so rude to the people of san marino. >> i think you should apologise. a hernia that's it's a beautiful it's a beautiful little. >> i've been i have been i've been there. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's more of a size reference. anyway, let's get back on track.

echr not thinking of british national interests.dicates in strasbourg, it is not thinking of british national interest. yes, i am that arrogant and i am absolutely right. when foreign bodies adjudicate national policy and national positions, they are not thinking of what is right for the british people. and that's what we've got to get back to. we've got to yank power away from all these international institutions, international laws and unelected domestic bodies and unelected domestic bodies and quangos and vest it back in our political representatives in parliament. >> i'm going to yank you both away from this debate, because i want to take a break. lots. i want to take a break. lots. i want to take a break. lots. i want to talk to you about carbon capture projects. are these the future? £22 billion committed to that. i also want to ask you about this. take a look at this picture. if you take yourself off to a carvery this weekend and you overfill your plates , and you overfill your plates, ladies and gents, and you don't eat it,

the iron becauseis that have to stay in the echr. the iron because there: have to stay in the echr.onbecause there are point. on, because there are point. >> i remember when we were trying to learn about brexit, trying to learn about brexit, trying to learn about brexit, trying to get a handle on it and thinking what are the consequences? what does it mean? and i don't want to go through all that. >> i don't want any more buses and all this kind of stuff. but there is an issue here. first of all, this is somewhat moot because keir starmer, who is in power for however many the next five years, has said no, we're not leaving the that's what anyway. but brussels have basically said if you want to talk about having some sort of migration deal, then that is like a non negotiation, like we have to stay in the echr. the ironic thing is that many countries in europe now actually are having their own issues with their echr, because migration is becoming a real problem across the continent. yeah. so there we go. that's my take. >> well, the point is, the point is you don't need to have any de

he wants us to pull out of the echr. ~ , ., echr. we can see the four candidates. _ echr.tes. he _ echr. we can see the four candidates. he hasn't - echr. we can see the four - candidates. he hasn't endorsed but basically said number two, i'm closest to him, so it's a massive intervention. we'll discuss it. let's go back to how the day began, this huge piece of history, with talk of the chagos islands. that's ri . ht, talk of the chagos islands. that's right. there _ talk of the chagos islands. that's right, there are _ talk of the chagos islands. that's right, there are the _ talk of the chagos islands. that's right, there are the four - talk of the chagos islands. that's l right, there are the four candidates for the leadership and after their speeches to the conservative party conference, each one of them highly critical of this decision by the uk to cede control of its last african colony. we saw tim tugendhat —— tom tugendhat. we should never have agreed, we shouldh't— we should never have agreed, we shouldn't have begun negotiations in november— shouldn't have begun

them all going on the echr this morning? yeah , on the echr this morning? be perfectly honest, there's some some really good points. martin says the sps echr was enacted into british law in the early 2000. were we global panahs the early 2000. were we global pariahs before that ? well, no , pariahs before that? well, no, no, i mean, it's an it's an interesting point. >> and the points we've made hasn't it, australia and canada obviously aren't part of the echr other countries to and they do just fine. >> yeah, yeah. we'd have our own set of rules wouldn't we? interesting. neil says in echr referendum is a bad idea. the only referendum that should be conducted is for political reform, as too much power ends up in the hands of political players. decisions like handing over territory are a great example. yeah, fair point. >> yes. and another view here saying that echr was good in the 19505, saying that echr was good in the 1950s, but has since become a cash cow for human rights lawyers who have used it in ridiculous cases. it's time to pull out. >> loads of yo

is it time to leave the echr ? to leave the echr? >> ageism in the workplace?about that, didn't we? more than 1 in 5 job candidates over the age of 50 don't say how old they are on their cv to avoid being stereotyped, or because they think they won't even get an interview . interview. >> and there's a millionaire exodus. >> and there's a millionaire exodus . high taxes and changes exodus. high taxes and changes to non—dom rules are driving away wealthy brits. how damaging do you think this is going to be to the uk ? i'd always to the uk? i'd always employ someone over 50 experience rather employ someone over 50. you're not dealing with kids. i'm sorry. that's awful. it sounds so sexist. >> they've got experience, but the magic age is. once you've reached 57, that's it . according reached 57, that's it. according to this new survey. yeah, well, you're over the hill. >> i you know, i'd love that. >> i you know, i'd love that. >> she's going to be over the hill in a few weeks time. >> no, i'm not i'm not 57. it's my birthday next week though. is it next week? week

we finish up this segment talking about echr derogations and how we deal with it.ak, i'm going to be joined by three men who've given the country great service in the sas. and i was quite shocked to pick up the times newspaper first thing this morning and see a letter from all three of them. most unusual for those that have served in the sas to break cover and talk about it. but they have and their worry. their worry also is their worry. their worry also is the european convention of human rights being written into british law. what it means, what it means for court cases that can go back for many , many can go back for many, many years, which they see as persecution of former sas soldiers and what that could mean for future recruitment our crack regiment. i said to you, who is going to make the last two in the tory leadership race? and does it matter? helen says it will not matter? helen says it will not matter who leaves. they've 120 liberals sitting behind them. no change, no lessons learned. they're not all liberals, but many of them are. laura says it doesn't

and he is| dramatically showing his opposition to echr.re meant to have a pre-recorded interview _ wonder. we were meant to have a pre-recorded interview with - wonder. we were meant to have a| pre-recorded interview with robert pre—recorded interview with robert jenrick but for some reason that did not happen. tomorrow all four candidates make a 20 minute speech to the activists and members here in birmingham. it's been described by some as the tory�*s version of the hunger games. james cleverly is going to promise in his speech to increase defence spending to 3% of gdp and abolish stamp duty, plus he's going to call on the tories to stop being "the grumpy party". i asked him first about those robertjenrick�*s comments that have dominated today at conference — that uk special forces are killing rather than capturing terrorists. hello, mr cleverly, how are you? hi, victoria. hi. right. i'm going to start with that last subject, if i may. as ex—military, have you ever seen any evidence, and particularly when you were in the foreign office a

uk needs referendum on echr. and so this is a so—called wide ranging interview in the telegraph.id lots of interesting things. he said that he doubts the echr whether it actually provides the protections that we wouldn't otherwise have. and he tended to agree with lord sumption, who's saying, you know, it puts too much powers into strasbourg, which is undemocratic. we don't need it. we don't want it. he agrees . some people are need it. we don't want it. he agrees. some people are seeing this as a boost to generic, because he's the only tory leadership candidate who explicitly says he would get out of the echr, so some people are seeing that as a positive for him. he apologises to children for lockdown. a bit late, but i suppose better late than never. but he admits that they possibly didn't bring down infections , didn't bring down infections, but they still saved lives somehow. so he's sort of getting he's becoming more redpilled. on the fact that he unnecessarily put us into lockdowns. >> do you not feel i always did feel that he was bullied into lockdown and, you know , his l

he leave the echr is not the silver bullet. he thinks it is brilliant. yes, my friends, welcome to the saturday five, where we don't just watch the week's madness . we bellyflop week's madness. we bellyflop right into it. that is until gb news sacked me and i can get my mitts on some unemployment fat jabs. i'll be slimmer than you can imagine. so several british police forces have decided to throw a tantrum, my friends and scale back their presence on elon musk's x. apparently it no longer aligns with their values and i say to that, do give over your soft sods. if a few mean tweets about your two tier policing under two tier three gean policing under two tier three gear, no cheer keir is enough to send you running, then maybe you should trade in your handcuffs for a comfort blanket, your clown cars for a pram and your pride marches for a soft play zone. i mean seriously, you can't handle the heat online. how do we expect you to cope with our actual streets? get off our tweets, lads . it's time to our tweets, lads. it's time to stop policing the streets i

take a stronger line on this and are in the echr.sn't say we should leave ignore. >> this is one of the ones we could just ignore. no one would have any issue with it. do you know what i mean? >> yes, but actually, isn't this isn't this a bigger point about the fact that we have a completely left wing civil service with a huge agenda ? service with a huge agenda? whoever you vote for, there's one political party that wins the general election every time, and that's the civil service. they have a huge left wing political agenda. and until we have a government, political agenda. and until we have a government , conservative, have a government, conservative, labour or anything else that is tough enough to stand up and say, we're going to have drain the swamp, clear out the civil service, give the british people what they want, and it's never going to happen. >> you said something very interesting, which which leads me nicely on to what i'm going to talk about in a second. now, this pensioner's protest today, because the lady who is in c

and this is the reason why we need to leave the echr.going to get a little bit more detail on that from you about what exactly he's saying, because the former attorney general, dominic grieve, certainly has a lot to say about that particular claim, but we're going to get stuck into that. and many more things with tom harwood, our deputy political edhon harwood, our deputy political editor, and also, of course, my partner on the show who is in birmingham for us, tom, there's lots of headlines going on from all of these different candidates, potentially a few gaffes. i am interested. what can you tell us about what robert jenrick had to say? i believe this was in a video that he put out on his social media. about the sas killing, not capturing terrorists. there's been some kind of backlash towards what he said . towards what he said. >> that's right. robert jenrick puts out a video yesterday on social media that went through all of the different issues, in his view, that there are with the european court of human rights and the convention.

. referendum on the echr.divisive and people don't like the outcome, but there's one thing i will say. we seem to think that we are not responsible enough to have our own bill of rights to talk about human rights in our own way. i would say to anybody who believes that we wrote most of that stuff . they came to britain that stuff. they came to britain and talked about how does human rights look internationally? because we have the best record of human rights across all civilisations since the dawn of time. so there is an argument that we need to relook at it. but i don't know if a referendum is the way to go. >> do do you want out of the echr? >> yeah, absolutely. and i don't think a referendum is needed. i think a referendum is needed. i think most people voted for brexit, quite frankly, because they were fed up of the amount of people coming over, both illegal and legal. and i think having a referendum to leave the echr would de facto be the same as having a referendum about brexit. i think people are fed up

and it's not all down to the echr.ciency of the home office. but yes, the echr enables criminals to play the game to sort of to game the system in this for case, example, an individual marries a woman who's got the right to, to stay here, has a child by her. now, i don't know their domestic situation. of course i don't. but it leaves open the ability or the possibility that hardened criminals are actually abusing vulnerable people in such a way. i'm not suggesting that's the case in this situation. i just don't know. but of course, if you can, you know , claim that you can, you know, claim that you've settled down with somebody and had a child with somebody, whether you have any intention of that relationship continuing or not, you've you've bypassed the system because there is this right to family life. now, i believe that when somebody comes into this country illegally or legally , they illegally or legally, they should be required to sign a document that demonstrates that they have been briefed and that they have be

is going to shut down _ about the echr is going to shut down the — about the echr is going to shut downntry _ need to have with the entire count . ., �* , need to have with the entire count . ., v ., need to have with the entire count . . �*, ., �* need to have with the entire count. . �*, ., �* ., country. that's what i'm about. interesting _ country. that's what i'm about. interesting listening _ country. that's what i'm about. interesting listening to - country. that's what i'm about. interesting listening to that. i interesting listening to that. she repeatedly referred to principles, tell me more about what we think that is and what is likely to be the key issues now between now and the membership actually deciding. there is quite a difference between the two candidates, robertjenrick and kemi badenoch on how they are perching thejob of badenoch on how they are perching the job of rebuilding. robert has been more explicit and precise about some of the policies he thinks there should be a cap on immigration leaving the echr, kemi badenoch has talked in broader principles on where sh

no, no channel migrant deal if uk quits echr say brussels sources this is the ongoing saga of the echrnly reason i know about it is because i've been forced to read about it. it's much more complicated than people think . complicated than people think. and then. but boris johnson is now saying, well, let's do a referendum. it's like, you know what? i don't want to hear the words, what? i don't want to hear the worrviews on what would happen any views on what would happen if we if we. yes. and the reason why i told that article is because if we left this echr, i would not have been allowed to say that wonderful statement about tuckerman's. no , no about tuckerman's. no, no channel migrant deal if uk quits echr say brussels sources this is the ongoing saga of the echr. the only reason i know about it is because i've been forced to read about it. it's much more complicated than people think . complicated than people think. and then. but boris johnson is now saying, well, let's do a referendum. it's like, you know what? i don't want to hear the words, no offence, i know he's on gb news, bu

then he goes to see his lawyer and says, echr here i come.cause i've now got a child. so we are not talking about some rather dim thicko. we're talking about somebody planning it. surely echr in itself comes under the most incredible scrutiny under that. now, i'm not saying that our numbers and this are completely linked, but honestly , anybody from the rest honestly, anybody from the rest of europe and the rest of the world who wants to come in and march into our country now seems to be able to do it? >> well. it matches with the figures that lots of people are coming in and overstaying visas. so actually, illegal migration isn't coming over in small boats. that's a small part of the problem. it's people apply for a visa, they come here on houday for a visa, they come here on holiday and then they don't go. and that we need to have some system that has exit controls and make sure we follow up on people who've come in. >> well, i'm afraid to say i increasingly think we should have identity cards. i think that would make the system better. i m

remain in echr or leave the echr depending on who wins.n, your guy robert jenrick wants to leave the echr. >> well, i think i think there will be an element. there will be an element of that. you're quite right. rob, from the word go has had a distinct position on the echr, which is he believes we should leave it . believes we should leave it. kemi ultimately, i think believes we should remain in it. so there's a very clear choice. our job so there's a very clear choice. ourjob as mps was so there's a very clear choice. our job as mps was to so there's a very clear choice. ourjob as mps was to give so there's a very clear choice. our job as mps was to give the voluntary party the people who slog their guts out for six weeks to get us re—elected. a clear choice. i think we've performed our duty . performed our duty. >> you've also dropped down in generation. i mean, now it's going to be a shift in generational leadership for the tory party. will that allow you to project maybe a younger image? it might attract more younger voters, given the

no, no channel migrant deal if uk quits echr say brussels sources this is the ongoing saga of the echrnly reason i know about it is because i've been forced to read about it. it's much more complicated than people think . complicated than people think. and then. but boris johnson is now saying, well, let's do a referendum. it's like, you know what? i don't want to hear the words, no offence, i know he's on gb news, but i just don't want to hear boris johnson and referendum put together again. also because it is such a complicated issue for people to then really have to get a grip on, because there are point. >> i remember when we were trying to learn about brexit, trying to learn about brexit, trying to learn about brexit, trying to get a handle on it and thinking what are the consequences? what does it mean? and i don't want to go through all that. >> i don't want any more buses and all this kind of stuff. but there is an issue here. first of all, this is somewhat moot because keir starmer, who is in power for however many the next five years, has said no, we're not leaving the that's

all this as the echr allows an albanian criminal back into the country after being deported. new research shows the over 57 seconds are facing disadvantages when searching for jobs, seconds are facing disadvantages when searching forjobs, as employers see this as the age where hiring becomes less appealing as productivity slumps and the people live

and then his theme of tough on immigration, withdrawing from the echr, and that is one thing that didmbers in there. let's go over to our correspondent in birmingham watching. what did we hear? ~ ~ . ., hear? well, i think what we heard from robert _ hear? well, i think what we heard from robert jenrick _ hear? well, i think what we heard from robert jenrick was _ hear? well, i think what we heard from robert jenrick was pretty - hear? well, i think what we heard i from robert jenrick was pretty much from robertjenrick was pretty much stating what we have heard before. as you say, that core focus that he puts on immigration. there was a bit of a stir among people watching it when he talked about an effective freeze on net migration. that's what he wants. some people saying, hang on, this is something you? it appears not. it appears that this is his position he has held in recent months where he says there needs to be a cap and he wants parliament to legislate for a cap on that. that is his diagnosis of one of the reasons why the conservatives lost the election, one of the things they

issue, and his view on the echr is correct, — issue, and his view on the echr is correct, and renegotiatingd of it. but he _ so we have got to get rid of it, but he has got a proper plan~ _ it, but he has got a proper plan he _ it, but he has got a proper plan. he has got a lot to talk about— plan. he has got a lot to talk about on— plan. he has got a lot to talk about on the economy and the nhs, _ about on the economy and the nhs, things that matter to people _ nhs, things that matter to --eole. , nhs, things that matter to neale, , nhs, things that matter to n-eole. , , people. his campaign has been very slick. _ people. his campaign has been very slick, right _ people. his campaign has been very slick, right from _ people. his campaign has been very slick, right from the - very slick, right from the start, his team have been confident he will get into the final two, so why do you think thatis, final two, so why do you think that is, that sense of confidence?- that is, that sense of confidence? . , ., , confidence? that is what he is all about- _ confidence? that is what he is all about.

first, the uk leaving the echr i5 first, the uk leaving the echr is not itself the policy objective.e other european nafion5 echr, but the other european nations who are convention nation5 who are convention member5 nation5 who are convention members have got 5imilar members have got similar problems, particularly italy, for example, with people coming across the med. s0 for example, with people coming across the med. so it ought to be possible to renegotiate. and let me tell you, as somebody who'5 let me tell you, as somebody who's been a northern ireland office mini5ter, we would have very considerable political difficultie5, even if we could navigate the legal difficultie5 navigate the legal difficulties of extricating the convention from the belfast good friday agreement. s0 from the belfast good friday agreement. so it's not trivial to do it. but also the other point is, in five years of a labour government, i'd be very surprised if the echr i5 labour government, i'd be very surprised if the echr is still the biggest issue when we go into the next general election. >> quite possi

she fell pregnant and under the echr echr ruling he was allowed to stay. i'm sorry. is that sending out? i'm sorry. it's just off with their heads . it's just off with their heads. >> it's really shocking. and i think it it plays into the narrative that we need to leave . narrative that we need to leave. we need to leave the eu. if it's no longer fit for purpose. the echr should be designed to protect law abiding citizens. it should be its primary function. and of course, there are some criminals in some grey areas where it should protect. but but more often than not, i'm seeing stories again and again that tell me that the that this institution is ruling in favour of criminals over law abiding citizens. >> the figure today, 745,000 illegal immigrants coming over into this country only up to 2017, bearing in mind that's a big number. it's a huge number and 1 in 100 of us, which would be actually more sensitive in various other parts of the country. there'd be more concentric there than it is. i mean, that's obviously an average over the whole of the countr

this is talking about the echr and should we get rid of it?t have a referendum on whether we want to be part of it? this is grumpy brit. love that. good morning, good afternoon, good on boris. i know what i'll vote, get our rights back, get rid of refugees. we are an island and should rule great britain, not some european court. go, boris. go! thumbs up from him. not me, by the way. i'm impartial, obviously. and from jasper. bofisis obviously. and from jasper. boris is so right about having a referendum about the echr. it will be an overwhelming leave. we need a british bill of rights. then watch other countries around europe follow suit. yeah, i'm not going to read that bit out because that was a bit mean. the human rights laws are not all bad, honestly. in any case, i'm dawn neesom i'm here standing for martin daubney. you might have spotted the difference. he normally doesn't wear as much lipstick. not quite as much. now gb news can reveal. great news this one folks that more than 300 small boat migrants have crossed the illegally into the u

echr would be one of them.gs so it could be done, but then we're breaching existing laws that we did at one point enter into, or they developed with case law. so technically it's possible, but it's breaking laws. and that's obviously one of the big debates you've seen with the echr whether or not that's something that should be ignored, whether or not we should come out of that. but again, you know, i think under certainly under starmer, it's clear that we are not going to be leaving the echr . be leaving the echr. >> no, but the a lot of the tory leadership hopefuls, not least robert jenrick, who we just spoke to, is adamant that he would take us out of the echr with or without a referendum. thank you david. hey, we'll have to leave it there. great to speak to you . immigration lawyer speak to you. immigration lawyer now human rights lawyer ontologies. john says that's why we need id cards. i haven't got a problem with that. now, does that send alarm bells ringing for you? >> it sounds like tony blair. that's

leaving the echr no ifs, no buts. an effective freeze on net migration, taking a stand against net zero. and i believe the last one was to build . the last one was to build. >> yes, that's right. and people will remember when robert jenrick was community secretary, housing secretary he proposed pretty sweeping planning reform that then got ditched by boris johnson. but i think it's those first three that really will make the mark today really strong stands on immigration, on illegal migration and on the echr these are going to be some of the biggest points of discussion at this contest. >> very interesting indeed. thank you very much. tom harwood. we'll check in check in with you in a little bit, but a quick word from my panel here. thank you very much for staying around. stephen pound your view. three words. go on, pound shop nigel farage. right. okay mike parry. >> very confident, very inspiring. i've seen something there that i didn't think i was going to see. and i love the fact that he focused on core tory values

rob's going to campaign quite clearly on leaving the echr.that. the problem rob's got patrick is yes, he might want to campaign on leaving the echr, but the parliamentary party, the shadow cabinet, whoever he picks will never back him on that. and it's going to be interesting, patrick, to see how many people are actually left in the conservative party membership. i suspect it's not as many as reform uk. we'll have to wait and see. but which type of members are actually still in the conservative party? is it the conservative party? is it the wets , the liberals, the the wets, the liberals, the remainers, the remoaners? because i tell you what, patrick, i think the vast majority of the true conservatives have left and come to reform uk . to reform uk. >> that is going to be a massive question that will be answered when they have this vote. and i think you're absolutely spot on. i was at tory party conference and i was quite surprised by some of the views that i heard there. it did make me wonder whether or not actually quite a lot of them had g

if we walked away from the echr we would lose the right to privacy., phone hacking was made illegal and employers could no longer read employees emails. >> we are no come on, come on, just finish the point. >> come on. these are the benefits of the echr. if we walked away, would we not lose those as well? >> we have. we've had something called magna carta. it's been knocking around for 800 years. it was the essential blueprint for individual liberty. it stopped the state chucking you in jail without charge. it gave us the most extraordinary rights. i mean, america, you know, when america was founded, they thought, well, look at what they thought, well, look at what the brits have done. >> well, the magna carta didn't stop. don't need being sent to jail in northern ireland. but the echr don't need a political court based in strasbourg to tell us anything about liberty and freedom. >> and our system may not be perfect, but it's pretty much the best one. any country in the world has ever invented. okay what about i want to ask you about your professional

jenrick's got the stuff on echr. >> jeremy's got the stuff.. back to you in the studio. >> brilliant stuff. it's a party atmosphere. can i apologise to anybody that might have been offended by the strong language you've heard of course we are, post—watershed. but you know, it's a family show, so apologies if you were upset by the language there, but it is the gb news party up at party conference. the wine and the beeris conference. the wine and the beer is flowing. patrick is over delivering. he'll be back in a few minutes time with hopefully some of those leadership candidates. of course it is hotting up, some people saying now that jenrick is in pole position. but i've got a question for you are the tories in denial about the threat of nigel farage and reform uk? do they arrogantly assume that those people who voted reform in july will go back to the tories in four years time, and plus r would a young margaret how now vote reform uk? will debate all of that next. as they fill the bars and nightclubs of birmingham for their party conference,

on legal migration of also campaigning on the idea of also campaigning on the idea of leaving the echrain in 2016. but nevertheless he suggests previous efforts to stop the boats and reduce illegal migration and get rid of people here in this country illegally have not works because of that existing legal structure, whereas kemi badenoch suggests that might be necessary but not sufficient. there is a lot we need to do at home first. there are differences on the echr will come into their own in the next weeks is a crucial dividing line. whoever wins out, it suggests the internal debate in exhibitor party is farfrom over. debate in exhibitor party is far from over.— debate in exhibitor party is far from over. stay with us. any moment _ far from over. stay with us. any moment we _ far from over. stay with us. any moment we will - far from over. stay with us. any moment we will return | far from over. stay with us. i any moment we will return to far from over. stay with us. - any moment we will return to my colleague who is in central lobby. just a reminder if you are tuning in to us. the

that does not sit well with yucaipa republican state senator russell echr. boak absence think how is not the right time the holidays. coming up, right. we're going to have a lot of traveling going on. going to have a lot of families. >> that already in california. we get california's she says she's especially frustrated because the board has now walked back its analysis about how much the policy could cost californians she is one of 25 republican members of the legislature who sent the board this letter urging its members to postpone the vote until they provide an updated cost and benefit analysis. we remain hot ensure that we have transparency and that how do ever see sport? actually, let's california knows this is the plan is what we're going to be imposing this, the financial impact it will fuel price. >> this bill signing ceremony monday for a separate oil and gas related law. governor gavin newsom offered his thoughts about carbs, transparency over how much its proposed policy could cost drivers. they put up some estimates. >> they put up updated estima