she was unequivocal in relation to that issue about the ecj . and you'll issue about the ecj.ou'll remember back to the command paper from david frost in july of 2021, where he had made suggestions of actually a panel, an arbitration panel. so it just wouldn't be the ecj, there would be somebody there from the uk as well and somebody independent and they would deal with any problems that there . but that problems that there. but that was rejected by european side. they will stick very, very much to the that it is the ecj. if there's european law, if there's any problems with it, it's the ecj that deals with the issue. yeah. yeah. final thought , yeah. yeah. final thought, arlene, if i may. i was horrified that this deal was presented and named in windsor. even more horrified that on the day of the deal, the unelected commission president, ursula von der lion, who was not even the head of the eu. that's a belgian, michel. yeah horrified that the king met woman. and in doing so appeared to endorse this agreement. before we see all the details . i just wondered all the details. i

she was unequivocal in relation to that issue about the ecj . and you'll issue about the ecj.remember back to the command paper from david frost in july of 2021, where he had made suggestions of actually a panel, an arbitration panel. so it just wouldn't be the ecj, there would be somebody there from the uk as well and somebody independent and they would deal with any problems that there . but that problems that there. but that was rejected by european side. they will stick very, very much to the that it is the ecj. if there's european law, if there's any problems with it, it's the ecj that deals with the issue. yeah. yeah. final thought , yeah. yeah. final thought, arlene, if i may. i was horrified that this deal was presented and named in windsor. even more horrified that on the day of the deal, the unelected commission president, ursula von der lion, who was not even the head of the eu. that's a belgian, michel. yeah horrified that the king met woman. and in doing so appeared to endorse this agreement. before we see all the details . i just wondered all the details. i just

the ecj quite extraordinary. the ecj continues to have form of legal hold .t's being described as the democratic deficit . as jeffrey democratic deficit. as jeffrey donaldson described , the very donaldson described, the very fact that steve baker has as well not welcomed ever, certainly indicated that, you know, this could be doable . does know, this could be doable. does that indicate that there is some of mechanism that they've actually found and i think scaled was the phrase being used on the powers the ecj again i don't know steve baker's you know made some slightly comments of late so i honestly don't know whether there's any significance to that tool . i can't really to that tool. i can't really comment on that right. breaking news as we speak to you let me read this from press association rishi sunak and the european president, ursula von der leyen have struck a deal over northern ireland protocol. a senior government source has said , government source has said, well, the worst kept secret , well, the worst kept secret, perhaps indications that many

now the ecj is enforced by the court in strasbourg . it was the court in strasbourg.t was the court in strasbourg. it was the court in strasbourg. it was the court in strasbourg . the appeal to in strasbourg. the appeal to that which stopped those planes taking off to rwanda , which taking off to rwanda, which stymies all kinds of other issues as suella braverman , the issues as suella braverman, the home secretary, explained in that last clip , i think the that last clip, i think the reason she wants to keep the opfion reason she wants to keep the option of leaving the ecj on the table, even though a lot of the, the chattering classes, the great and the good would find that abhorrent is because she knows that there is law that are being laid before parliament now , as i mentioned that the government is putting forward which toughen up our ability as a country to deport people who arrived here . right now if you arrived here. right now if you put those laws through the commons and they would get through the commons not least because most conservatives would back them a

and is the issue they need the ecj. the ecj out completely.w that's still hanging around . northern ireland hanging around. northern ireland has to go. you know, it's the united kingdom and even putting border posts in the irish sea as a permanent fixture is a really bad sign. this is this is someone who's a unionist. so sorry that's more than yes and no does not spell because you've identified another key angle to this, which is frankly that it does appear from the info we're getting at the minute, which might change a few minutes time, but it is the northern ireland is not going to be free of quote unquote , foreign judges in a in unquote, foreign judges in a in a foreign language i know is a massive red line look. i'm i'm same quite here really same to you quite here really just in your gut do sense that this is going to be a good thing or thing? well, i think or a bad thing? well, i think democratic will democratic unionist party will be irreparably damaged if, democratic unionist party will be irreparably damaged if , they be irreparably

she she doesn't like the fact and lots of other people don't like the fact that the ecj holds sway inern ireland even after brexit. and people in northern ireland have jurisdiction to talk over those ecj rules, because we're not in the european union, it's a completely weird situation . it completely weird situation. it has some benefits, it has drawbacks and suella braverman is definitely highlighting the drawbacks on many many, many mps. tom, as you know, on the tory backbenchers are looking to her if she can't stomach this deal that rishi sunak has apparently made, but not yet unveiled, then and she resigns then the sunak government is in emergency measures. it's a really profound situation and of course suella braverman is someone who has in the past resigned and indeed has voted against theresa may's deal. she times. she is the only so—called spartan who's still in government. she's not just government. she's not just government. she's not just government. she's the home secretary and sunak knows he needs her there as home secretary to frankly control , secretary to frankly contr

and this one is from russell dobrik all having a referendum about joining the ecj.eed permission to leave it was interesting. i mean, one of the slightly unfortunate arguments course when it comes to leaving the uk is that people like winston churchill , a true is that people like winston churchill, a true proper national treasure and hero, despite what the modern woke might tell you about him , it was might tell you about him, it was donein might tell you about him, it was done in favour of it, and i all of that. and then they go, oh, okay, well look, if you leave it, then you'll be the same as russia belarus. now don't russia or belarus. now don't let anyone you, because anyone say that to you, because won't because we're not won't be because we're not russia belarus. okay? there's russia or belarus. okay? there's loads that loads of those countries that are that that don't share are like that that don't share anything norms and anything like the same norms and values and rules of law. the argument for them hinges on the idea we suddenly decided idea that if we su

you make very, very clearly on the ecj.ating, wasn't it, that when the rc journalists asked the question , refused to asked the question, refused to answer it , there was an answer it, there was an instinctive response from von der leyen that the ecj will still be the final arbiter about about that. there is no dispute at all the argument course that the government will make is it will be very rarely, etc. final thought, jim, from you . the thought, jim, from you. the document that was produced , the document that was produced, the prime minister in his statement said there will be a veto know up to 30 mlas could raise an objection and ultimately see we can veto new eu law. do you believe that legally to be true ? there's no veto within stormont . a commentator here in stormont. a commentator here in northern ireland accurately described it. it means that someone sitting in the back of the car and say to the driver, would you be so kind as we appued would you be so kind as we applied the brake and the driver being the unite

the ecj is a court. i did my dissertation in the ecj rulings.l the amount of cases that it decided upon pushing integration of further interference domestic law. the ten case in ireland . law. the ten case in ireland. please look it up it's a horrific abuse of power and the idea that this biased court has a say over united kingdom territory is unacceptable. and i think it will destroy the conservative brand completely if rishi oversees is syphoning off part of uk territory to have to submit the eu law without any representation . what's your representation. what's your alternative plan to give a flying flamingo about peace in northern ireland? and this was proved to bomb, delay and in 2021, threatened to slap hard border in ireland northern ireland. boxing imports and she only retracted it . remember that only retracted it. remember that it was the alternative suggests something or peter's asking what's the alternative? plan, he said suggests what could they do instead ? oh, i tell what. why instead? oh, i tell what. why don't we follow the eu's

and this one is from russell dobrik all having a referendum about joining the ecj.d permission to leave it was interesting. i mean, one of the slightly unfortunate arguments course when it comes to leaving the uk is that people like winston churchill , a true is that people like winston churchill, a true proper national treasure and hero, despite what the modern woke might tell you about him , it was might tell you about him, it was donein might tell you about him, it was done in favour of it, and i all of that. and then they go, oh, okay, well look, if you leave it, then you'll be the same as russia belarus. now don't russia or belarus. now don't let anyone you, because anyone say that to you, because won't because we're not won't be because we're not russia belarus. okay? there's russia or belarus. okay? there's loads that loads of those countries that are that that don't share are like that that don't share anything norms and anything like the same norms and values and rules of law. the argument for them hinges on the idea we suddenly decided idea that if we sudd

however, the uk government that the use will lead to have the ecj will need to have jurisdiction of somecriptions or square that circle remains to be seen. but it's going to be important. dup and unionist politicians from across the spectrum have been staying off the airwaves this morning because they really don't have anything to say until they see the detail of the deal. and it should be emphasised as well. the way the dup is the barrier to devolution at the moment. what all of the non unionist parties think and also what crucially what the business community, northern ireland thinks be really thinks is going to be really important. this is a important. well. this is a really interesting point that the dup have been very quiet so far . it the dup have been very quiet so far. it emphasises how the dup, the big, big players here. the reason why powershare isn't working in northern ireland right now , they haven't seen the right now, they haven't seen the text of this deal. right now, they haven't seen the text of this deal . backbench text of this deal. backbench members of parliament ha

the ecj can have no role in any part of the uk. it's simple. it seems everyone's agreeing here.that the politicians need to listen to the british public on this. we cannot separate northern from the rest of the well, one the rest of the uk. well, one country, one rob says all country, one union. rob says all these complexities began when these complexities began when the eu and the remainers we should have further integration . no one voted for that. none of this is not the fault of brexit. i like the double negative there, but i think, you know you're all onto something. i think we are. thank you for those views, by the way. thank for emailing and tweeting. we do appreciate that. i got appreciate that. i we've got peter blakeslee now. so peter blakeslee back now. so let's the top story let's return to the top story this the police searching this hour. the police searching for missing mother of two nicola bulley discovered a body bulley have discovered a body body the mr. are body in the river. mr. what are your thoughts on developments we've discovered today ? well, we've disco

could overseen by the could they be overseen by the ecj they probably live ecj and they could probablybeing back and forward and being manufactured for the uk and manufactured here for the uk and those markets. well there's no need for the european court of justice rule that justice to rule over that divergence because not divergence because it's not going europe it really going into europe and it really bnngs going into europe and it really brings to what is brings us back to what this is all it was never all about. it was never protecting good friday protecting the good friday agreement. protecting agreement. this was protecting the of a single the integrity of a single market, and it was that of the eu and of course, the republic of ireland as part of that market. i know there were those in northern ireland that were claiming calling the claiming are calling for the rigorous implementation of the protocol , if that have taken protocol, if that have taken place when it started, we would be in very, very troubled waters right about now. but if that is the case and they're going to all

is it this continue ecj your jurisdiction . continue ecj your jurisdiction. in the one?ne thing which is the red for us and if the dail cannot meet this then all of the other problems are going to continue anyway and thatis going to continue anyway and that is the fact that northern ireland will be as and as we far as we understand it, will continue to be under laws made in brussels, laws that we don't have any say on, laws we have to implement. otherwise the european court of justice will judgements and will decide what sanctions are imposed. so the red line for us and all of the other things will fall into place. this is met the red line for us is that there should be no eu law apply to this part of the united kingdom mean no other country in the world would give a say to a foreign administration to make the laws which affect the people of the country to which they belong . country to which they belong. that mean no other country would accept that and northern we not only are we given those laws and imposed those laws hundreds present, but they're imposed without any s

the ecj can't have integrity. the ecj continues to be involved.ig issues do need to be addressed . and not it's not addressed. and it's not it's not about my opinion any member about my opinion or any member of the house of commons, it's about the communities in northern ireland. the dup have been very clear about the seven tests, although the court isn't explicitly mentioned in those tests. it is the integrity of the united kingdom and it is about their ability to have a say in the future . eu p unhappy say in the future. eu p unhappy with any deal that rishi sunak manages to strike. there is no deal manages to strike. there is no deal, is there? well absolutely right. so it's basically the government's in hock to the dup . no, it's all focus and the prime minister has been very clear in these negotiations is the people of northern ireland, all communities have to have confidence in, in a deal and if we can't command that confidence then then we're not going to have a deal and clearly we've got the protocol bill, which it's not our preference , b

i want to the know judges the end of that i know judges and judges to love ecj and our judges to love the ecj which makes impossible to deport but to that out and but we have to that out and i just cannot understand any politician who thinks you know it's only the european court anyway. and there's a whole world. so all our, all our human issues that we all agree with could be, be incorporated in our own country. we don't need another country and other judges. and i just think people have got caught onto that . the have got caught onto that. the whole of immigration whole question of immigration and the boats coming across and us being powerless is just it's just unbelievable that we're so powerful with the conservatives aren't going to fight for these things. we get a labour government who edges ever closer back to the single market. i think you're right, but that's why they like the northern ireland protocol because a ireland protocol because it's a halfway them and i for halfway house for them and i for it. i wouldn't trust keir starmer watched him all starmer having watched him al

part in this and — the ecj will have to play some part in this and i— the ecj will have to play someng, the government will argue it has fixed them. this is not like all those nights where used to stand in parliament and wonder if the government would survive the day because they could not get the votes to get a through parliament, this is a different situation and that does not mean it is not a moment of politicaljeopardy for not mean it is not a moment of political jeopardy for the not mean it is not a moment of politicaljeopardy for the prime minister. let politicaljeopardy for the prime minister. . ., ., ., minister. let me come in on that, has he already — minister. let me come in on that, has he already made _ minister. let me come in on that, has he already made a _ minister. let me come in on that, has he already made a mistake i minister. let me come in on that, has he already made a mistake in | has he already made a mistake in announcing and confirming that ursula von der leyen will go see king charles?— ursula von der leyen will go see king charles? some tory mps are maki

really sounded very it's loud that the citizens of russia should keep the opportunity to apply to the ecjot push russia to finally leave this club and leave this organization , everyone can see the results. i think that the 22nd year of the ecv allowed everyone who had some illusions wake up very seriously and what we will say even we can read the decision about admissibility in the interstate case regarding the east of ukraine ukraine-netherlands against the russian federation - these are things that definitely came to me under the influence of the events of the last year, at least no one can ignore them. and in general , what will this case be considered ? what will it really mean now ? people or three, yes, it happened on the basis of the criminal code of the netherlands, here we are talking about a huge number of different kinds of violations of human rights, which were committed, as the applicants claim, in the territory of the east of the eastern regions of ukraine on the part of the russian federation. that is, it goes beyond the situation with flight mh14, although of course it al

wouldn't be overseen by the ecj , that the overseen by the ecj, that the dup and, hardline and brexiteersa vote on any sort of deal, which is another awkward question . the is another awkward question. the prime minister, because ideally he would quite like to avoid a vote because it would expose just how many tories on the backbenches don't like the wording , the deal. for his part wording, the deal. for his part , rishi sunak made a good of showing keir starmer as a sort eu obsessive while he the prime minister was simply concerned about what happens. the people of ireland and what the people of ireland and what the people of ireland and what the people of ireland wanted. so it was a pretty strong play from starmer. it did feel as though rishi sunak held his own. perhaps the most difficult moment for rishi sunak was when jeffrey donaldson, the leader of the dup . he suggested that to make the dup satisfied the deal, he would have to not only tweak the customs arrangements , which is customs arrangements, which is the most contentious part of the northern ireland protocol, but actually r

what's compliant with the ecj. what's the point? nation now and believe you. now and i don't believe you. rishi or obey. what's the flippin point ? what rishi or obey. what's the flippin point? what did rishi or obey. what's the flippin point ? what did you say? flippin point? what did you say? you. secretary suella you. and home secretary suella braverman are working on some of these stricter country these stricter laws. our country is many times have is saying. how many times have we to anyone we heard this? to stop anyone who travels illegally who travels here illegally claiming the day claiming asylum? since the day i was people have been working on was, people have been working on the strictest ever seen. the strictest we've ever seen. joining is, stephen joining me now is, stephen wolf, director centre for director at the centre for migration economic migration and economic prosperity . human rights lawyer prosperity. human rights lawyer shoaib khan. thank you very, very . stephen, i will start with very. stephen, i will start

the ecj will the central fact is the ecj will still have role in the legal still have a role in the legalsystem in northern and system in northern ireland and that what's going to be that is what's going to be causing concern dup causing the concern of the dup and tory party today. but and the tory party today. but there's situation there's also a situation where there's also a situation where the a get the vote in the the dup in a get the vote in the northern ireland executive that they because they're they may want because they're not party. well, not the major party. well, quite. think that quite. and i think that that they would concerned about they would be concerned about recent of course recent concerns. but of course the of the union for the the issue of the union for the dpj is existential. so the question is that, you are question is that, you know, are they going be trying make they going to be trying to make life rishi sunak or life easier for rishi sunak or not? the answer is probably not? and the answer is probably not. some of the not. and you see some of the reports in the

if we cannot control our borders because judges in the ecj job, we should control our borders and weed to put in laws. how can we do that? what we can put in place laws that do that. and if you cite that example of that particular person who was told they couldn't go to uganda. yeah that wasn't because they said the policy was wrong. it was because that person hadn't had the rights for a legal process for a legal process. that's been a established in this british. why should anybody in our british constitution since magna carta why why are we doing that ? why why why are we doing that? why should anybody that crosses the channel by dinghy illegally have any legal rights ? well, one of any legal rights? well, one of the things well, any legal rights? well, one of the things well , first of all, the things well, first of all, genuine asylum seekers have a right to come. we let in huge numbers of asylum seekers in the last two years. we've let them in far, let let them in from virtually any other country in europe. no, no, no, no , no. europe. no, no, no, no, no. we've allowed them in f

but think what's interesting about this is that if the ecj do still have jurisdiction over northern,is sort of clamorous. the conservative party . but of clamorous. the conservative party. but again, if this is a really real huge test for rishi sunakis really real huge test for rishi sunak is he strong enough to stand up to european union? well, i'm going to give captain the final word on this, catherine do you that catherine do you think that rishi will be to actually rishi sunak will be to actually keep that part of legislation safe can maintain our safe so that we can maintain our sovereignty ? well, he has to i sovereignty? well, he has to i mean, it's shocking some of the rumours are flying around at the moment that he's going to use labour party to try and push this through parliament, even if his own mps . i this through parliament, even if his own mps. i think that's shocking , not democratic. i mean shocking, not democratic. i mean then everyone will be asking how this guy became prime minister anyhow. you know, he has to be wider than wide on this issue . wider than wide on

if we cannot control our borders because judges in the ecj job, we should control our borders and weed to put in laws. how can we do that? what we can put in place laws that do that. and if you cite that example of that particular person who was told they couldn't go to uganda. yeah that wasn't because they said the policy was wrong. it was because that person hadn't had the rights for a legal process for a legal process. that's been a established in this british. why should anybody in our british constitution since magna carta why why are we doing that ? why why why are we doing that? why should anybody that crosses the channel by dinghy illegally have any legal rights ? well, one of any legal rights? well, one of the things well, any legal rights? well, one of the things well , first of all, the things well, first of all, genuine asylum seekers have a right to come. we let in huge numbers of asylum seekers in the last two years. we've let them in far, let let them in from virtually any other country in europe. no, no, no, no , no. europe. no, no, no, no, no. we've allowed them in f

james duddridge was saying he won't vote for anything that leaves the ecj role intact, he says it will. when you get to those kinds of passions, it is quite hard to see what the route through is. find what the route through is. and detail will _ what the route through is. and detail will be _ what the route through is. fific detail will be crucial. i what the route through is. fific detail will be crucial. i think there are two real sticking points. one is the european court of justice, and how far it still has a role in northern ireland. what we might get here is some sort of fudge... might get here is some sort of fudue. .. ,, , might get here is some sort of fudue... ,, , ., might get here is some sort of fudge. . ._ what - might get here is some sort of fudge. . ._ what we | might get here is some sort of- fudge. . ._ what we might fudge... surely not! what we might aet fudge... surely not! what we might net for fudge... surely not! what we might get for example _ fudge... surely not! what we might get for example is, _ fudge... surely not! what we might get for example is, nominally,

lisa the very fact the ecj is a whip hand means that ireland is being sold out by sunak.e, i think this kind of what they're calling it, the stormont break, who's got the ultimate say so the ultimate kind of top hand , if you like, kind of top hand, if you like, this will be a detail that many people are interested to get across in the well. i think it's stormont. i haven't read the detail , but i stormont. i haven't read the detail, but i must to stormont. i haven't read the detail , but i must to speculate. detail, but i must to speculate. i might be totally line. i'll speculate in order to act when the assembly is up and the executive is up , which they executive is up, which they aren't at the moment. they have to act jointly . the two, the two to act jointly. the two, the two main parties, which at the moment are sinn fein, the dup. i have to work jointly. so if the break can only be exercised by the two of them acting jointly , the two of them acting jointly, then it's completely bogus and bearin then it's completely bogus and bear in mind that the protocol was intr

as such and if there was a dispute the ecj couldn't arbitrate it, but it can still northern ireland.ch means that if that is the basis , the deal, i think unfortunately it's likely to fail all in just a couple of i'll be asking mark francois why he is a conservative if also how he is a conservative if also how he felt on that day in which pubuc he felt on that day in which public british people voted by a majority leave the european union, his as a politician and as a public figure. i'll also be him whether with some hesitation, there in relation to rishi sunak's deal with brussels, whether he's allowing the great to be the enemy of the good are the erg falling into the trap of ideological purity. i'll be putting that to the big man . next welcome back to mark devlin tonight, the papers still to come but with me and in a moment meets special is the conservative mp and the chairman of the european research group of the european research group of eurosceptic mp mark francois. mark, great to have you in. the studio. thank you for giving up a chunk of your sunday night. studio. thank you

the brexit ministerjames duddridge, said he won't vote for anything that leaves the ecj intact. get to those kinds of passions, it is difficult to see the route through? it is difficult to see the route throu~h? , ., , , , through? details will be absolutely crucial. i think _ through? details will be absolutely crucial. i think there _ through? details will be absolutely crucial. i think there are _ through? details will be absolutely crucial. i think there are two - crucial. i think there are two sticking points. one is the european court ofjustice, and how far it still has a role in northern ireland. what we might get here is some sort of fudge, but what we might get normally, the european court ofjustice retains a role, but it is downplayed. perhaps even more crucial here is what happens. there is talk of green and red lanes dot white with get searched.- is talk of green and red lanes dot white with get searched. yellow, and the reds would _ white with get searched. yellow, and the reds would be _ white with get searched. yellow, and the reds would be assuming - white with g

but does eu law still apply and does ecj still apply it? doesit. and does ecj still apply it?first does it. well you know, first lawyers, i mean, we've had steven barratt tonight, spectator come out to say yes it does , but still way at hoc to does, but still way at hoc to the eu as it comes to laws. and that's you know with northern is in the customs for union goods still in the single for goods not services etc. and don't want to leave northern ireland behind us rather than the peace . i know us rather than the peace. i know how important northern is and there is a risk. you know, they've had 300 laws in northern from the eu since . we left since from the eu since. we left since the rest uk. the gp left the european union and. you know we want to leave northern ireland behind and we don't want increasing diversification between the one party united kingdom , another part. well the kingdom, another part. well the thing i mean, the truth and the truth is united kingdom. so basically should be treated exactly the same way as bristol is, for example. but that doesn't seem to be

as such and if there was a dispute the ecj couldn't arbitrate it, but it can still northern ireland.tuation, which means that if that is the basis , the deal, i think unfortunately it's likely to fail all in just a couple of i'll be asking mark francois why he is a conservative if also how he is a conservative if also how he felt on that day in which pubuc he felt on that day in which public british people voted by a majority leave the european union, his as a politician and as a public figure. i'll also be him whether with some hesitation, there in relation to rishi sunak's deal with brussels, whether he's allowing the great to be the enemy of the good are the erg falling into the trap of ideological purity. i'll be putting that to the big man . next welcome back to mark devlin tonight, the papers still to come but with me and in a moment meets special is the conservative mp and the chairman of the european research group of the european research group of eurosceptic mp mark francois. mark, great to have you in. the studio. thank you for giving up a chunk of your sunday night. what

northern ireland assembly to potentially stop the application of eu laws in the region print however, the ecj will remain the ultimate arbiter on eu laws and he has not been able to completely remove eu laws applied in northern ireland. he has just reduced the numbers, so the tensions are going to linger. until we have a vote through parliament and until power-sharing is restored. but for now, the relationship between london and brussels is better. you heard ursula von der leyen yesterday calling him dear rish i. francine: can hear -- can he now win the support of the dup and the brexiteers? lizzy: this is what it will hinge on. in terms of the deals in parliament, rishi sunak has the numbers because keir starmer has said his party will back the deal through parliament. but sunak will want the dup's vote because the tory brexit or's will follow them -- brexiteers will follow them. sunak is in belfast right now trying to move the dup. he is also speaking to businesses who he says will benefit from this agreement. we heard from jeffrey donaldson, the dup leader this morning. he says there are s

as you're guest has already said, it all is around the ecj.basically means that we have no mep's in northern ireland. so any laws that are made that we don't like here are we are diverting from inside northern ireland. we have no way of addressing that. so democracy in that side of things has gone. and of course nationalist politicians here can use their sister parties and their own parties , the likes of sinn fein. parties, the likes of sinn fein. he is , are actually in pa here he is, are actually in pa here and also in the republic of ireland for to use their mep to make sort of try to change those laws or move around them and say europe. so basically northern ireland for unionists have become a cold. it's been annexed , but it's been done in such a way that this is a trade deal and people keep on saying this is a brilliant deal, it's a great deal, it's not a good deal for northern ireland because what it is a way of the eu protecting this single market. it's all about money and you just i just think it's just to bnng just i just think it's

but the ecj would have justice.pull cases in, would be looking down the necks of british judicial system make sure it was enforcing its will. it comes back to the thing what rishi sunak needs to recognise is that northern is an equal member within the united kingdom and any agreement which doesn't recognise that doesn't restore northern ireland to the united kingdom must be rejected and. i think he's going to have egg all his face very soon. he tries to bnng his face very soon. he tries to bring this deal forward and if he doesn't try to bring it forward, he's going to need some really political stepping to explain his actions over the last ten days. the tory mp i've talked in the last week, the only way he could get this through is with the support of the labour party , which would the labour party, which would then him look even then make him look and even think about of that. think about optics of that. yeah, party . and let's yeah, labour party. and let's make it this, make no mistake about it this, notwithstand

sunak hasn't been able to convince brussels there should be no role for the ecj in northern ireland andu leaders saying they are going to maintain the integrity of the single market and of the court. rishi sunak when speaking with maria tadeo in munich acknowledged there is a democratic deficit he needs to address. but there are realistically three options here. according to a government official that spoke to us -- first that they agree to a deal and it goes on unopposed. secondly, that the dup and brexit are mp's are not happy with the deal but cannot oppose it. thirdly, that sunak at further negotiations but they are essentially a charade and go nowhere. remember that what is different this time with sunak as leader is he has some of the most prominent brexiteers in the government like steve baker of the european research group, formerly chairman, and that takes some of the wind out of their sales. -- sails. plus labor had said it would give political cover to whatever comes through. it's looking like the second option most likely at this stage and it would make rishi sunak look like

ursula von der leyen in the press conference saying the european council of justice, the ecj, is still the governing body, still the final arbiter of eu law. will the dup accept that? >> that is the million-dollar question. until the moment i stepped onto the sad, we did not have an answer on that matter. the dup's leader was last heard from getting onto an plane flight to london and tweeting they have not made a decision yet. they would take the time to read the deal. we can assume that is what is going on now or in the very few hours coming up. so that is really what we need to see. of course rishi sunak also promised a part of mentoring vote, which we are keeping an eye out for to try to see whether he would ask his mps to back that. if he feels he is able to get that convincingly through the house of commons, that could pass -- they want the dup on site. they want to unlock that power-sharing in ireland and set every thing back on a smooth path, but perhaps there is a sense that my sheer force of presentation and enthusiasm as well as the detail, they're hoping to win on the key pl

the ecj in favour of us leaving? the ecj are john made? absolutely not wrong.jority in the single categories for not leaving the 27% and in fact if you look at your numbers, you haven't got a majority to leave , you've got about a third each way, a third don't know a third want to leave and a third want to stay. yep isn't that all the numbers of people that can say it? now, i'm just going to reiterate, those numbers are completely somewhat agree, completely 23. somewhat agree, 15% somewhat disagree , 5. so we 15% somewhat disagree, 5. so we can do this all day. i completely disagree. 27% turn out, say 7. so it's almost as close. the actual initial referendum to begin. susan, would you would leave up would you would you leave up because you see from where because rush you see from where sitting. saying sitting. i'm basically saying well we want to stop the boats. we want to reduce asylum seeker boat nil and as well vow boat to nil and as well i vow i vow that i'm going to deport people within a few days of arriving at well well well he can't do he's uncanny if w

so all european get to the ecj.ll european law matters will be determined by british courts, but is still european law and if the ecj should determine that the british courts hadn't applied it correctly , they'd be able to correctly, they'd be able to call the case in. it would be the ecj looking down over northern ireland. it's all cosmetics and i just go back to this point. maros sefcovic is the lead negotiator for the eu, does not have a mandate to vary the terms of the protocol. he can't do anything substantive. it's all cosmetic. and just very briefly , boris johnson's briefly, boris johnson's involvement and zero, a bit cynical about this. i'm very cynical about this. i'm very cynical about this. i'm very cynical about boris johnson's involvement. boris johnson and lord frost created this protocol . they knew precisely what they were doing , putting a border were doing, putting a border down the irish sea . boris down the irish sea. boris johnson as he delivered johnson as soon as he delivered it, said he'd fi

you think that you use strong to free up mean the role of the ecj ? well, mean the role of the ecj?s community safeguard that we've been to negotiate with the eu . what it negotiate with the eu. what it means is that the people in an institution of northern ireland are in control of their destiny and if a significant eu law comes along that will have a lasting and significant impact on the everyday lives of people here in northern ireland, that the assembly will be allowed to pull the emergency brake and it's built on something called the petition of concern mechanism, which is a good friday agreement institution requires . friday agreement institution requires. the support of 30 friday agreement institution requires . the support of 30 mlas requires. the support of 30 mlas from two parties and once that's done simply crystal clear the. uk government then does have an unequivocal veto. and what i've said is that the uk government wants to sit with the wants to sit down with the parties in northern ireland, the assembly, to codify how uk government would use that veto to sure that ev

let's go back to what belinda was saying about the this is a political the ecj.itical court. this is this is a political court that reinforce eu dogma. it's not a proper court as we knew it, the zero two democratic accountable bility with this court. it's it's, it's , it's on a mission. it's, it's, it's on a mission. it is on a mission. this is the typical european institution that may just vote to leave the eu in the first place. it's precisely what we voted to escape on. 17.4 million people voted for us to become a fully sovereign nation . this deal, sovereign nation. this deal, even with all its concessions, will not make us a fully sovereign nation. you would have actually carried on where we. no, no, no . but what i think is no, no, no. but what i think is important and rishi said it today, said it was just something i just saw minutes ago. he said he spoke about the world changing and things being different. and there was just a little thing in my head. i thought the way we britain behaved, ukraine was the magnificent you and we were the first people to mov

where things are relating to the ecj _ committee.the end of one chapter and beginning of another. the other thing _ beginning of another. the other thing i— beginning of another. the other thing i would say to people if they do choose — thing i would say to people if they do choose to oppose the steel what do choose to oppose the steel what do they— do choose to oppose the steel what do they think they're going to achieve? _ do they think they're going to achieve? sooner or later you have to recognise _ achieve? sooner or later you have to recognise that you have one. i think this is— recognise that you have one. i think this is a _ recognise that you have one. i think this is a great victory for all parties _ this is a great victory for all parties and a great victory for ireland. — parties and a great victory for ireland. we will be defending their legitimate interest through the steel— legitimate interest through the steel and it is also a great victory for rishi — steel and it is also a great victory for rishi sunak in the united

let's go back to what belinda was saying about the this is a political the ecj.al court. this is this is a political court that reinforce eu dogma. it's not a proper court as we knew it, the zero two democratic accountable bility with this court. it's it's, it's , it's on a mission. it's, it's, it's on a mission. it is on a mission. this is the typical european institution that may just vote to leave the eu in the first place. it's precisely what we voted to escape on. 17.4 million people voted for us to become a fully sovereign nation . this deal, sovereign nation. this deal, even with all its concessions, will not make us a fully sovereign nation. you would have actually carried on where we. no, no, no . but what i think is no, no, no. but what i think is important and rishi said it today, said it was just something i just saw minutes ago. he said he spoke about the world changing and things being different. and there was just a little thing in my head. i thought the way we britain behaved, ukraine was the magnificent you and we were the first people to move in

look, nothing doing , no ecj nothing doing, no ecj interference , no border down the interference, nosh sea. we'll do the whole thing with . technology on the thing with. technology on the existing border won't create a hard border unless he says all of that so that we can give state aid to our northern irish industries if we want to, so that we can trade this freely with them as we would trade with the isle of wight until we can do all of that, we haven't got a brexit and nobody wants to sign to yet another round of , to yet another round of, something that isn't going to work because the eu be won't accept it because . it's not accept it because. it's not brexit and anything but name and the impact on the conservatives will be enormous because once again no breakdown in angry division and frankly i think the pubuc division and frankly i think the public thought enough of it. well we have we absolute we have but and this is what i'm you from a political point of view why does sunak not understand i thought he was meant to be smart man. i mean what's he not getting? surely this would

that's all about the rule of supremacy of ecj law over other uk law. yes.brussels and the rumour is that rishi will surrender on that. and that's why boris is saying, if you do that, you're doomed. well, the shades of grey here, i mean, what he wants to do is to make the european court of justice very, very much the last resort. in other words, watered down its powers hugely . now, if that powers hugely. now, if that works and then his approach , works and then his approach, which are your your, you know, commentator have made their point about he wants to try to be a little bit nicer about it, whereas boris johnson's approach was very much to give them, given fingered sign , if given the one fingered sign, if it will make life a great deal easier for all concerned, not least, of course, business in northern ireland. and so rishi sunak of course, is playing, having, having to play an extremely canny game over this. i mean, it seems only yesterday that that tony blair negotiated the good friday agreement. and i can remember him saying to me after he'd stood

look, nothing doing , no ecj nothing doing, no ecj interference , no border down the interference, norish sea. we'll do the whole thing with . technology on the thing with. technology on the existing border won't create a hard border unless he says all of that so that we can give state aid to our northern irish industries if we want to, so that we can trade this freely with them as we would trade with the isle of wight until we can do all of that, we haven't got a brexit and nobody wants to sign to yet another round of , to yet another round of, something that isn't going to work because the eu be won't accept it because . it's not accept it because. it's not brexit and anything but name and the impact on the conservatives will be enormous because once again no breakdown in angry division and frankly i think the pubuc division and frankly i think the public thought enough of it. well we have we absolute we have but and this is what i'm you from a political point of view why does sunak not understand i thought he was meant to be smart man. i mean what's he not getting? surely this woul

you can dress it up, you could say there are references to the british courts through the ecj.. well, there are two sets of pressures — you mentioned stormont and of course it is absolutely fundamental to get stormont working again, that the dup accept whatever deal he comes back with. they have laid out some pretty firm red lines about what they expect in any deal on the protocol, but then, as you say, also with rishi sunak�*s backbenchers. there are two groups — the european research group that everybody talks about, they have in the past stymied attempts to get theresa may's deal through parliament, saying this betrays brexit principles. and then another group loosely coalesced around former prime minister boris johnson and there is a degree of concern in number ten that they don't want to sign up to anything that allows him to cry betrayal because then you might find the makings of a quite sizeable number of backbenchers who are sort of turning against the prime minister on brexit policy. professor anand menon, director of uk in a changing europe. a group of metal detectori

i would like to know the argument is that the ecj and the european court of justice in luxembourg wouldne if courts in northern ireland referred cases to them. well, i understand there was significant pushback from europe today on that on that they were very that they'd been cast in a frame that they had compromised on the sovereignty of europe . on the sovereignty of europe. well, the sovereignty of northern ireland. they've been prepared to walk all over that on the sovereignty of the uk rights and northern irish have been walked over that. i think that europe if they want this to work they've got to sit down on either craft a proper deal with the united kingdom government this or the british government has got to stand and put in place its own protocol bill which me both know is on which you and me both know is on a drawer somewhere at the bottom of parliament needs to be of parliament that needs to be pulled put back the pulled out and put back on the table work, but it's table if doesn't work, but it's not acceptable to unionists not acceptable to the unionists and community and i

and the other problem is that the ecj , the problem is that the ecj, the european court of justice, wouldnorthern ireland. so he isn't happy about this at all. and the eog the that influential group of backbench conservative brexiteers has rode in behind them and says that it isn't very happy with the terms of the deal ehhen happy with the terms of the deal either. it seems as though rishi sunak might made his bad position worse by it taking so long. speaking to the dup about the deal. so the more we hear it sounds as though rishi sunak was negotiating with eu leaders in private not letting his own backbench mp is the dupe in the hopes he could build trust with european union, which sort of worked to a point he did manage to build that. but it means that the dup and conservative backbenchers and even conservative ministers steve baken conservative ministers steve baker, for example, has rumoured to be very discontent or feelers out, you know, their noses a little bit out of joint and they feel as though they've been left out. so at the we heard big things last late last week about a deal

come up against the ecj time and time and that is unacceptable. simply true, nigel. the government when you argue article eight. i do these cases and time after time the tribunal judges side with the home office. you have be living here 20 years to come within the rules of article eight. 20 years and the government's codified it. look and the bench mark for engaging, articulate , very high. engaging, articulate, very high. are we not deporting people who illegally come to britain and file asylum? why not? quite simply because haven't got the systems to do that. the law allows the government to do that. the home office has the powers to deport people to search for applications. i tell you make application inadmissible. you make application inadmissible . the powers are all inadmissible. the powers are all there. tell you something. we're going to this actual debate. this is going to become a bigger issue in british politics. 68% of conservative voters want to leave the aca. there are going to be voices within the conservative party making this argument. we at news are

come up against the ecj time and time and that is unacceptable. simply true, nigel. the government when you argue article eight. i do these cases and time after time the tribunal judges side with the home office. you have be living here 20 years to come within the rules of article eight. 20 years and the government's codified it. look and the bench mark for engaging, articulate , very high. engaging, articulate, very high. are we not deporting people who illegally come to britain and file asylum? why not? quite simply because haven't got the systems to do that. the law allows the government to do that. the home office has the powers to deport people to search for applications. i tell you make application inadmissible. you make application inadmissible . the powers are all inadmissible. the powers are all there. tell you something. we're going to this actual debate. this is going to become a bigger issue in british politics. 68% of conservative voters want to leave the aca. there are going to be voices within the conservative party making this argument. we at news are

and the ecj will have the final say on eu law and single market issues.ursula von der leyen , the president of von der leyen, the president of the european commission . after the european commission. after the european commission. after the controversial renamed windsor framework . as windsor framework. as i emphasise yesterday , happens in emphasise yesterday, happens in ulster. now since somerset and yorkshire in merseyside and in after the westminster after the undermining the crown undermining of the of the crown six counties weakens our in six counties weakens our united kingdom as a whole . so united kingdom as a whole. so although the prime minister seems to have done well with the new deal , seems to have done well with the new deal, some of his majesty's subjects citizens of the united kingdom as much of the rest of us, could remain , at least in us, could remain, at least in part , under the jurisdiction of part, under the jurisdiction of foreign power. perhaps as telegraph columnist cheryl suggested today , this would mean suggested today, this