this was written up by an inmate physician that worked with doctor eckstein in 1946 when they wrote about the treatments that were used. none of the children survived but that is part of the experiment that did find its way out into the community through the writings of. >> caller: why did in angola mengele become mengele? >> guest: a lot of it has to do with an attractive to care for people who create popular culture. i have an alert on my phone that gives me a message every time he's mentioned in the world press or any tv show or per trade in a crazy film. every single day he is promoted as either in the historical sense mostly inaccurately that we played with the coronavirus there's metaphors and comparisons whether he will replace him as an advisor but more often than not the kind of benchmark for evil if there's a bad manager and a bank. he certainly has as one scholar said has been separated from and part of what i try to give them this book is explain who that person really was a. of >> host: it's such a thoroughly researched history book and i would encourage all of you to get a h

when otto eckstein was brought face-to-face with the poors' living conditions, for example, his perspective shifted. in his own words while he had been, quote, skeptical about the use of the home visits he was, quote, overwhelmed by what he saw in quincy. he described poverty that was really much deeper than i have ever encountered in my life. the visits he said provided, quote, an invaluable frame of reference for the physical reality of poverty. commissioner spalding an insurance executive from north carolina was also surprised by the dire conditions he observed in quincy. i thought i knew something about poverty and the condition under which people lived but what i saw there i haven't seen anyplace else, spalding said. commissioner tom watson jr. the chairman of the board of ibm had called the conditions he saw, quote, intolerable and appalling, especially for minorities. the combination of testimony and home visits thus changed the means of poverty for commissioners. that could be seen in the commission's final report where they wrote, quote, the reason for poverty is not some personal