so we will talk about ecpa updates. >> that is exactly right and there's legislation to address this problem. it is partially being addressed by the courts but it's the electronic communications privacy act and senator leahy and others have bipartisan legislation to require probable cause for the contents of stored stored communications so it's another effort that's ongoing. >> chris. >> mr. saad go to i'm from the aclu. janer 2010 google revealed two of the world that they had been compromised by the u.s. government but it wasn't until a story in the "washington post" that we learned it up in google's surveillance compromised by this foreign government so two-part question. why did we have to read about in the newspaper and at three or four-year period why did google not tell the world the surveillance rather than the baker information is some systems had been compromised and separately can you tell us and a few year cents has google surveillance been compromised in the additional times by any other governments that you know about? >> the attack back in 2009 was one that we got hit

ecpa from 1986, that was an early example of the cycle of technology in the sense that congress was regulatingnterpret privacy back before most people had heard of the internet or e-mail. that was early in the life cycle of technologies. but this is kind of the traditional pattern. from a public standpoint, what we should be doing is looking for these new technologies, trying to understand what the new technologies are. in the case of stingray technologies, in 1983, actions brought against the officers using the technologies. this is a great area for state aclu's to step in. bring civil cases, especially to the extent that the government is dropping criminal cases using the technologies or blunting the motion to file a motion to suppress. civil cases bring the challenges that lead to cases on how the fourth amendment apply to these technologies, or how statutes applied to the neck to gos would be really helpful in furthering this process along. >> there is a piece of the story you are missing whether with stingrays or wiretaps. for the first 10 years of wiretapping in this country. hey were fi

i could start with kris sort of where we are in the landscape of the patriot act just in terms of ecpaciety advocates with frequent like to say congress has updated privacy laws in 20 years. we of the 1996 electronic privacy act. that congress has given law enforcement any new surveillance power companies in the newest to do with these new technologies. what that ends up happening is that as these new technologies come up, the government has to try and fit the new technologies into the old authorities. we have the government using devices like stingrays which of these highly sophisticated cell phone tracking device that a person in the soap collect information about hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of innocent people. they look to the authorities they have and they said is this more like a pen register we got in title iii? is a more like a white cap, or is it nothing? they've taken all three of those positions at various points. if one for someone to hack into someone's computer they say, do we use a pen register for this quick to use a wiretap? to use the search warrants? an