the weeks in prison for skipping bail in twenty twelve before he sought asylum in the ecuadorian embassy there he also faces a hearing tomorrow thursday on his possible extradition to the u.s. let's go live now authorities kate partridge in london kate after seven years holed up in the ecuadorian embassy events are escalating fast for julie massage bring us up to speed on today's developments. there you need yes indeed joining us on she has actually literally just left the building we saw his van going away after he was earlier sentenced to fifty weeks in prison for preaching not bell in twenty twelve the judge debra taylor said that his crime merited almost the maximum sentence or two to his seriousness and also highlighted the fact that the assigned affair had cost the british taxpayer sixty million plans she rejected his claims to leave in sea based on the fact he'd already spent almost seven years in the ecuadorian embassy while she handed down the sentence to the innocent was impassive in the dock but his supporters up in the public gallery shouted shame on you and in the meantime w

remember he did the ecuadorian embassy for 7 years to get away from a 5 year prison sentence in sweden one day this guy doesn't deserve our respect but we deserve and the way that we get respect from him is that he should face up to the judicial process which he may well. jennifer brief so many questions that a lot of interconnected the a but i mean one of the main ones is ease julian this song as a journalist do you need a lot of people who. revelations in the. secret information being published to credit to journalists. so the very dangerous president for the rest of the recognized media if. i think there's 2 very big implications here as we talked about the courts are going to be the u.s. courts are going to be looking at this so i'm an attorney in the united states and so i've followed some of the laws but there's 2 very big implications here not just with what the court is going to come down but what this actually means one is the growing changing body of law we're talking about the espionage act which is passed in world war one in the wake of world war one and now we ha

hosts broke down he was dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy here in london he was arrested by british police and he was slapped with a u.s. extradition request so in true a staunch style the hearing today has attracted the media circus since attracted a lot of very vocal supporters of his and he is a pretty divisive began as some see him as a journalist a freedom fighter for some he's seen as a computer hacker regardless of how he's seen there is a sense that what happens here today and how this legal case unfolds could have why he did repercussions for press freedoms as a whole because if julian assange can be pursued by the u.s. or even extradited over to the u.s. for publishing classified documents that could have implications for journalists and whistleblowers anywhere in the world if they publish us material. that's the concern put a book thanks for bringing us the latest polly in london waiting for that court ruling. well let's join us again in thirty minutes for the latest global news updates will see that. what is calling the coin is m

behind bars fifty weeks for skipping bail back in twenty twelve that was what he ended the ecuadorian embassy seeking asylum that the judge that was pretty strict on julian assad. there isn't much of a sense of clemency at the moment from the british authorities in relation to the leaky leaks found he said that the jews julian assange should flouted the law very publicly he did they did justice for seven years while being holed up in the ecuadorian embassy now julian assange anjan his legal team have said that the reason that he had to seek asylum in the ecuadorian embassy was because he was wanted in sweden for questioning over these alleged sexual assault allegations which julian assange to this team members away said is just precut for a u.s. extradition request so he spent seven years inside that embassy the statute of limitations on that swedish case may have expired but last month his relationship with his that dorian hearst broke down to the extent that he was drags out of the ecuadorian embassy in london he was arrested by british police and he was slapped with this u.s. extradition r

it could be reopened if the situation allowed so when a sondre was dragged out of london's ecuadorian embassy last month the woman that had made the allegations against him said that she would like the case to be reopened and that's precisely what has happened stockholm has requested julian assange has extradition to sweden take a listen to what the prosecutor had to say at a press conference a little bit earlier on. the news from the mine new circumstances have brought about the need to revise or previous decision after reviewing the current state of diploma near investigation my assessment is that there are still grounds to suspect the mysterious songe committed rape. now the statute of limitations on this case expires in 2020 so there isn't much time for the swedish authorities to act of course a sun jewel star has a u.s. extradition request hanging over his head at the moment so there is kind of a legal model in place here and a pity is that only the home secretary is able to decide which of these cases should take precedence and sort of potentially allow the more pressing swedish case to

but remember the resupplies health declined within the ecuadorian embassy was his own personal cowardice and i think that's probably much by his own personal narcissism because he was in the for 7 years to avoid facing trial in sweden for an offense that would have given him 5 years in prison i think it's ludicrous what he's done and i think many of the problems he's heaped upon himself now in terms of journalistic on press freedom i do not believe that the espionage act is going to be something that you can fit convict jew in the psalms with i'm not an expert on american law but it does seem to me that the rights of journalists enshrined in the american gods to sion mean the psalms will never will either be convicted and it be overturned by the supreme goals or never be convicted on the basis that the that these charges are in called but either way you wouldn't make some sense for him to actually face trial rather than try to wriggle away if you look at what's happened in the case of sweden but as i say he spent 7 years in the ecuadorian embassy which remember is a 2 bedroom f

here you can see the latest pictures from london where a protest was ongoing outside the ecuadorian embassy. spent almost seven years there before being arrested last month when the weeks of it are in chief kristinn hrafnsson house trying to collect a sonorous belongings from the embassy however is being denied entrance has reported the incident to the police as a crime. former u.k. diplomat craig murray believes the extradition saga could stretch on for years arguments against extradite again very clear in terms of the fact that it's fairly open that this is the kind of specimen charged the americans are trying to get to but actually that's a trick. once they get him to be united states they plan to slap. much stronger charges on him relating to espionage but he could then end up in extremely bad conditions of the united states so i think we're going to see a lot of the extradition process and of course the terrible things but he could be in jail quite literally for years while because due process and its various appeals work through but ultimately i'm hopeful that he will not in fact be x

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entity new legal day last month when a songe was dragged out against his will from london's ecuadorian embassy the ecuadorian authorities revoked his claim to political asylum he's now serving out of 50 weeks sentence in a london prison for skipping bail back in 2012 when he originally entered the embassy he's also wanted in sweden stockholm is about to go through the motions of issuing their own extradition request to because they want him to answer questions about an alleged sexual assault dating back to 2010 which is why here originally sought asylum in the embassy fearing he'd be extradited over to the u.s. and i think what's interesting here is that a stange is a very mom might characters very divisive there are more there are some people who are more keen to see him as a hack rather than a hero of sort of epic journalistic proportions and yet even those that don't support him have come out now and said wow this padded out more serious case against assad and from the u.s. authorities is very. heavyhanded you just reveal some information concerning everyone and they make it privilege. i th

protests were held outside the ecuadorian embassy in london on thursday enjoying the grand almost seventy years there before his asylum was revoked release editor in chief kristinn hrafnsson tried to collect the song his belongings from the embassy but was denied entrance he reported the incident to the police as a crime. last year britain's high court ruled that another man accused of hacking u.s. government computers could not be extradited laurie love attended a demonstration outside the court where soldiers hearing was being held. i think he's going to have an uphill struggle everyone has an uphill struggle under us that should assume a crisis because it's a very unbalanced treaty so the us doesn't have to provide any evidence they just have to have the paperwork in order and the presumption is a view only towards exhibition if we manage to win there's a lot of campaigning and a lot of support political support from and he said this is going to have a hard time because he's already out of this politically he's upset the establishment in the u.k. the establishment i would say is compli

course through his time in the ecuadorian embassy in london he made those comments to add he's going on the ground 0 stuff for tansy you can see the full interview as you mentioned that morrow here is a good preview of what the u.n. official said to us earlier. where it was but political prisoner of war for years and but what we do in these cases you can with a doctor if he's like a son should call which is designed to examine potential victims of. these standards and use the evidence was when we leave clear. jewel in the sunshine and be exposed to several. forms of cruel inhuman and degrading treatment which surely we can only describe. well as you leave shocked me with this particular case is that a single individual has been saluted and singled out by several democratic states and persecuted the systematically and says this is the manner to point to the breaking of this comes shortly after julian assange his extradition case in the u.k. court was perspiring view through ill health his lawyers stating he is unable to even hold a functional conversation the swedish authorities on th

right now over my shoulder you can see live pictures from london just outside of the ecuadorian embassy right now wiki leaks auditors in chief is trying to get into the embassy in order to collect julian assange just possessions but he is not being let in to do that as you can see there is also a large group of protesters outside of the embassy just to remind you join us and yesterday was sentenced to fifty weeks of jail in the u.k. for jumping bail and today he had an extradition hearing when it comes to being extradited to the u.s. no decision has been made further hearings will be taking place later this month. that's a wrap up of the day's top news for now but don't forget you can always find us on many of your favorite social media platforms like twitter and facebook for up to the minute reports. my seven years doing drugs my nephews was still in drugs my sister just with doing drugs it was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse he started going after the users in the prison population sewer we started treating sick peopl

authorities when he entered the ecuadorian embassy in two thousand and twelve she said that cost the taxpayers sixteen million. u.k. pounds because the police had to got the embassy around the clock in the first years and she said he did not willingly surrender but instead had to be dragged out by u.k. police out of that embassy and that concluded to to sentence him to fifty weeks in prison that could be cut in half in october he might be released on bail but that was her conclusion and his defense stated that a socialist very sorry that he was apologetic three most full four four four finding that possible going into the ecuadorian embassy for seeking refuge there but that he was so fearful of u.s. extradition at that point that he would be extradited first to sweden and then to the u.s. that he received death threats also from american politicians that stated if you was going to the u.s. he might face a death sentence there that he could not see another way back then and that is why he seek refuge assault took those news twelve months in prison quiet he did not show much reaction he

in 2012 so we've kind of gone full circle here of course he went into the ecuadorian embassy in london undef be is that he'd be extradited to the u.s. if he were to go to sweden and here we are with this flu. of. of charges against him these 17 new counts hanging over him now from washington and i think what's interesting here is that a songes a very mom might characters very divisive there are more there are some people who are more keen to see him as a hacker rather than a hero of sort of epic journalistic proportions and yet even those that don't support him have come out now and said wow this potted out more serious case against assad from the u.s. authorities is very heavy handed. worker bring us joy is from london the. to remind you here are some of the bigger revelations made by a songe over the years back in 2010 thousands of documents and classified video related to the wars in iraq and afghanistan were made public that leaked details among other things indiscriminate shooting of civilians in iraq a year later the so-called files revealed routine torture at the guant

to fifty weeks in prison for jumping bail in twenty twelfth before he sought asylum in the ecuadorian embassy there he also faces. a hearing tomorrow thursday on his possible extradition to to you this let's go live now to our to skate park rich in london kate it's all unraveling quite quickly for us on this go after those seven years holed up in the ecuadorian embassy what more can you tell us about today's events. are there you know and yes indeed as we've just been hearing judge deborah taylor pass sentence judy in the silence of the wiki leaks founder to fifty weeks in prison for skipping bail in twenty twelve we were anticipating this particularly severe sentence and she dismissed his claims believe me and say based on the fact he had been as you said in the ecuadorian embassy for seven years we're looking down at some of the notes coming from court and looking at mark summers comments his defense lawyer did in a song and posted a letter saying he apologized undeservedly for not surrendering himself to all sorts of us who did say the circumstances were extraordinary in the fact that he f

protests were held outside the ecuadorian embassy in london for. almost seven years before his asylum was revoked we can leak servicer in chief kristen tried to collect the songes belongings from the embassy but was denied entrance and reported the incident to the police is a crime. ruled that another activist lori love also accused of hacking u.s. government computers couldn't be extradited on the basis is well being could not be guarantees it's a demonstration outside the court hearing was hope. i think he's going to have an uphill struggle everyone has an uphill struggle under us actually they should request because it's a very unbalanced treaty so the u.s. doesn't have to provide any evidence they just have to have their paperwork in order the presumption is a view only towards extradition if we manage to win there's a lot of campaigning and a lot of support political support from the m.p.'s and support from journalist she is going to have a harder time because he's already out with this politically he's upset the establishment in the u.k. the e

you said that you want to believe named in relation to that case now i'm standing outside the ecuadorian embassy i didn't think i'd be back here so soon after julian assange was dragged out to pay last month when the ecuadorian authorities after the relationship between the sons of the ecuadorian authorities to terry aerated and. allow. british police to go inside and arrest a song he's now in prison for carrying out a 50 week sentence for skipping bail back in 2012 when he 1st went in here but his things his personal possessions accumulated over 7 years inside the embassy they all still inside and his legal team haven't had any access to these possessions they say that ecuador is withholding them from and ever said. and so what is expected to happen today is that they're meant to be ecuadorian officials presumably 2 policemen from quito who are supposed to come here and take a stand just things in order for ecuador to officially hand songes items to u.s. prosecutors now according to wiki leaks neither julian assange nor his legal team nor u.n. representatives have been allowed to be present at

least part of the answer julian assad's you see the whistleblower was granted asylum at the ecuadorian embassy in london under former president rafael career but the new president doesn't share that love for leaks but the patients of ecuador has its limits we are a tolerant and calm people but not stupid we've revoked the asylum in this spoiled brat and got rid of a thorn in our side and now a new era of friendship between ecuador and the us has been an else there's no more you bring. the new iraq. between us. good or new chapter new benefits help with social development and education with natural disaster response and the environment with no costs attached all on the u.s. tab so how did this amazing turnaround happen it all began back in 2017 with a visit from trump's advisor when mr munder fought met with president. to discuss the china development fund the president rose with the money for his desire to remove. from ecuador's embassy it's unclear if those talks on assad's came to any conclusion but later that year they could all kicked off a whole raft of other negotiations including an i.m

hosts broke down to the extent that he was dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy in london he was arrested by british police and he was slapped with this u.s. extradition request that is now being mulled over in the courts here in to us on style as with anything to do with the wiki leaks founder it's attracted the media circus it's attracted many of his very vocal supporters to come here there is trouble with getting a court room large enough to fit members of the public and his supporters and all the journalists there are so interested in following this case julian assange and if he can be pursued by the u.s. authorities or even extradited over to the u.s. for something that he has published well then that could have implications for any journalist anywhere in the world if they publish anything to do with the u.s. . and we're not showing you the latest pictures from london where a protest has been ongoing outside the ecuadorian embassy if you're going to spend almost seven will being arrested last month we could leaks editor in chief kristen is trying to collect this on hi

hosts broke down to the extent that he was dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy in london he was arrested by british police and he was slapped with this u.s. extradition request that is now being well modeled a very in the courts here in true us on style as with anything to do with the wiki leaks founder it's attracted the media circus it's attracted many of the have been very vocal support says to come here to trouble with getting a court room large enough to fit members of the public and his supporters and all the journalists that are so interested in following this case he is a divisive they get some see him as a computer hack others see him as a freedom fighter journalist and a publisher that has done very important right for godless of your position towards him a lot of people are going to be watching this case very closely because of the repercussions that it could have for press freedoms today in a songe if he can be pursued by the u.s. authorities or even extradited a bit to the u.s. for something that he has published where the matter could have implicat

back in the twenty twelve when he initially civil to silence at london's ecuadorian embassy now the judge in the case yesterday was pretty strict with us on this there isn't much of a sense of clemency from the british authorities i have to say he said that to me in a song for loud to the lord and evaded justice very publicly for those seven years that he was holed up in be ecuadorian. embassy from judy in a songe aside from the perspective of his legal team they said all along that the reason he had to hide away in the ecuadorian embassy like that was because he was wanted for questioning in sweden alleged sexual assault and they've always thought that they were concerned that swedish questioning could actually lead to a u.s. extradition request well seven years down the line the statute of limitations on the swedish legal proceedings has expired but last month off to his relationship with his ecuadorian host broke down julian astonish was dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy in london he was arrested by british police and he was slapped with this preliminary u.s. extradition request no

you can see these pictures from london where a protest is ongoing outside the ecuadorian embassy in the song spent almost seven use that before being arrested last month we could look so the chief christian is trying to cling to saul and his belongings from the embassy but is being denied entrance he's reported the incident. the police as a crime. last year britain's high court ruled that another activist lori love also accused of hacking u.s. government computers could not be extradited on the basis is well being couldn't be guaranteed here to do the demonstration outside the court where the song this hearing was being held. i think he's going to have an uphill struggle everyone has an uphill struggle under us actually this request because it's a very unbalanced treaty so the u.s. doesn't have to provide any evidence they just have to have their paperwork in order the presumption is a view only towards extradition we managed to win there's a lot of campaigning and a lot of support political support from the m.p.'s and support from journalist she is going to have a harder time because h

course because everything from wiki leaks founder julian the songes near 7 year stay in the ecuadorian embassy in london is to be handed to us prosecutors today i didn't include an electronic equipment legal papers even medical records the ecuadorian government agreed to turn over any documents and materials used by during that time to both british and u.s. authorities as we say coleman who is the kids a longtime friend as well of julian assange told us search may come as a blow to the whistleblowers legal case. disgraceful way for an independent sovereign nation to behave but that's what they're doing i don't know exactly what they want to find but they're going to get an awful lot they're going to get. judy and legal notes from the legal meetings what should have been private legal meetings that is held in the embassy obviously i think that's of great concern to those who are preparing to fight is actually in case here i think that the 7 years that julian spent in the embassy of war very hard on him he's an incredibly resilient person by did see the cost exerted on him i don't think the chil

here you can see the latest pictures from london where it protest is ongoing outside the ecuadorian embassy julian assange spend almost seven years there before being arrested last month wiki leaks editor in chief kristinn hrafnsson has tried to collect songes belongings from the embassy however is being denied entrance has reported the incident to the police as a crime now last year britain's high court ruled that another activist lori love also accused of hacking u.s. government computers cannot be extradited on the basis of his well being could not be guaranteed he attended a demonstration outside the court as hearing was being held and told us how his case is relevant to this one. i think he's going to have an uphill struggle everyone has an uphill struggle under us that should or should request because it's a very balanced treaty so the u.s. doesn't have to provide any evidence they just have to have the paperwork in order the presumption is a view only towards extradition if we manage to win there's a lot of campaigning and a lot of support political support from the m.p.'s and suppor

that we know was arrested last month at the ecuadorian embassy in london where he spent 7 years after jumping bail he denies a swedish rape allegations from 9 years ago the u.s. also wants to extradite assange over wiki leaks release of thousands of classified documents. i have today taken the decision to reopen the preliminary investigation into the you know going out and heat after reviewing the preliminary investigation in its current state my assessment is that there is still probable cause to suspect that mr sounds committed rape. al-jazeera spall brennan has more from london now. the reason why mary and neither the prosecutor back then decided to halt the case against julian 2017 was because she saw no prospect of being able to continue pursuing the case here at the time was still holed up in the ecuadorian embassy and did not appear keen at all to come out and face those charges so she felt it was actually pointless pursuing that times have changed and of course the decision last month of the ecuadorians to expel julian assange from their protection and he was then arrested and

the wikileaks founder has cleaned himself up since british police dragged him from the ecuadorian embassy last month. in court, his lawyer read a letter in which assange apologized quote, unreservedly. the judge appeared unmoved. she said assange abused his privilege to evade justice and his years in the embassy cost taxpayers 16,000,000 pounds. outside the court, supporters were vocal in their anger at the sentence. many see assange as a hero for exposing abuses of power and championing free-speech. >> it is my view that the sentencing here today is an outrage, and it is vindictive in nature, and it does not give us a lot of faith in the u.k. justice system for the fight ahead. reporter: the case against assange in britain arose when two swedish women accused him of sexual assault and rape in 2010. assange saw refuge in the ecuadorian embassy, afraid sweden could extradite him to the u.s. he fears prosecution there over wikileaks release of millions of classified documents. assange's are now turning their attention to a u.s. extradition request. authorities have charged him with conspiri

look i'm standing outside london's ecuadorian embassy i didn't think i'd be back here so soon because you know songe isn't here he's serving out his 50 week sentence for skipping bail back in 2012 when he 1st came in here in prison but to his things that are still here in his legal team say that they haven't had access to any of them ever since julian assange was dragged out of the embassy against his will last month when ecuadorian authorities allowed british police to come in and arrest a song and today is the start of these sort of formal proceedings whereby ecuador hands over someone just personal possessions in order for u.s. prosecutors to get their hands on them it's expected that there's 2 police officers and a prosecutor from that i can then be going through his things presumably is accumulated quite a few possessions and 70 is holed up inside and according to wiki leaks julian assange and his legal team nor u.n. representatives have been allowed to be for this process in the wiki leaks that it . has said that what's happening today is illegal take a listen to what he had to

subjected to inhumane and degrading treatment and it happened both during the years he spent in the ecuadorian embassy in london and in belmarsh prison where he's now currently incarcerated arties going underground spoke to needles melzer the full interview airs on saturday july 5th consequences clearly she will not be able to access medical care for several years the much more seriously is. illusory leap of faith by the extremely hostile and increasingly arbitrary she has the looks the street for several years so she really really shows all the solutions that are typical for a person that has been exposed. live in a program that was artie's daniela hawkins from paris down bring us up to speed on what else the u.n. expert had to say on the songes treatment and indeed one of those claims based on did he say. well milt meltzer is the united nations special operator on torture as a former red cross official human rights expert he's worked for about 20 years with victims of violence and political persecution he's now joined a chorus of concern regarding the case of julian assad submitting a report to the

weeks in prison escaping ballantine to twelve before spending the next seven years in london's ecuadorian embassy. it's eleven o'clock here in moscow and you're watching all to international live from last year with me nativity welcome to the program maydays being mauled to around the world but in the french capital it means more violence on the streets with one group of writers calling their protest on the gatton charlotte do friends reports from paris. i. thank you thank you. thank you. i. don't agree with violence the food the protests the official protests even began those protests is try to move from about to move. up to woods blasted its early one and a half hours before the official protest time as a result of that the police blocked them off about half a kilometer away stone to firing tear gas and pushing people back and used that opportunity to make arrests over the black blocks these the black blocks that the interior minister christopher cast in a wound about coming yesterday saying that they were going to be traveling to this protest to cool scenes of chaos to turn paris into a city o

julian assange had requested leniency after being holed up in the ecuadorian embassy for seven years but the judge rejected his plea sentencing him to fifty weeks in jail songe took refuge in the embassy in two thousand and twelve fearing extradition to sweden on rape charges but the woman who accused of songe said she quote did not want to put any charges on ga but the police were keen on getting a grip on him and that she quote did not want to accuse j. a for anything and quote it was the police who made up the charges i was songe said he also feared extradition to the united states were officials were calling for his arrest and even assassination but found no sympathy in court and said receiving maximum sentence possible outside the court we can leaks editor in chief said the sentence was vindictive in nature to get a sentence only two weeks short of the much of a sentence is an outrage. it's almost double the sentencing guidelines. and they have pointed out it's just a comparison. that the so-called speed boat killer. got six months. for not showing up in court to hear his sentenc

hello welcome our top story everything from wiki leaks founder julian assange 7 years in the ecuadorian embassy in london is to be handed to us prosecutors later. electronic equipment legal papers even medical records the ecuadorian government agreed to turn over any documents and materials used by a son's. during that time too both british and u.s. authorities will of course live north to london polly. polly what is the state of play. well outside london the ecuadorian embassy isn't here of course but his things still odd because of course after he was dragged out of the embassy head last month he had a chance to take his does that and they have effectively been withheld according to his legal team they haven't had access to them and now we are expecting to say that ecuador and chills are going to go inside the embassy and take us on personal property in order to handed over to american cross to keep says and we've been watching what's been going on all day there's a bit of traffic now because of all the commotion and there's been a police truck arrive with when this traffic with the i'll get

weeks in prison for skipping bail and twenty before spending the next seven years in london ecuadorian embassy. it's one o'clock here in moscow and you're watching r t international live from last year with nina to you today welcome to the program may day is being up to around the world but in the french capital it means more violence on the streets with one group of writers calling their protest on the get and do reports from paris. thank. you. very. well may day started with violence before the protest the official protests even began those protesters tried to move from the mall print us up towards plastic it's really one and a half hours before the official protest time as a result of that the police blocked them off about half a kilometer away started firing tear gas and pushing people back and used that opportunity to make arrests of the black blocks these are the black blocks that the interior minister christopher cast in there warned about coming in yesterday saying that they were going to be traveling to this protest to cause scenes of chaos to turn paris into a city of riots that's wh