one of the reasons i am sitting in the seat now is because of an economist named ed grammer. ned was at the federal reserve on the federal reserve board when i was at the us treasury department in the 1990s and he was obviously much more prominent and well-established. i will call myself then a young person. it is true that i was a young person. >> up and coming aide to robert rubin. >> i was an aide to bob rubin and i was his special assistant and i got to know ned through that work, we worked together on predatory lending, abusive lending, we were worried about the subprime mortgage crisis and doing work on community reinvestment act together and he really became a mentor to me and when i was thinking of going on the teaching market, it would be pretty cool to be able to do the kind of work he did. where can i find a university to teach him that will let me engage in this kind of interdisciplinary work and ned had been at the university of michigan and spoke with such love and admiration for it that, if i get a teaching job there that would be great. i went to to the muniti