ed snowden can be breaking the law but there is a place in the world for people like that. without people like that, investigative journalists can't do their jobs. it's the bread and butter of what it means to be an american. that right to report what someone tells you is being fundamentally it's in jeopardy right now. in our case with the fbi. they are trying to take that right away from us. right now. i had the aclu lawyers in my office last month telling me and by the way, they are defending us. the aclu is writing to the judge trying to unseal the warrants that are against me. they said this is never happened in american history. what's happening to you has never happened before to any journalist. now they're starting point guns at us. and take our notebooks. i admire people like edward snowden, julian assange, mike wallace. i don't know what is happened. i don't know why the billion-dollar corporations are doing the job. his left scrappy broke entrepreneurial enterprising people but so be it. >> james o'keefe project veritas and of the author of this book american muck

ed snowden, for his revelations, essential revelations of criminality. why the national security agency, the universal surveillance, not only in our country but around the world, but where it wasn't so illegal, but definitely in some constitution in america. and so essentially a lifetime exile. so these people and daniel haile revealed the drone program, they did what they should have done just as i think i did what i should have done, but everyone has paid a penalty. very heavy penalty nodded my chase nixon actually committed so many crimes which happened amazingly, almost miraculously to become revealed towards the end of my trial that kept me from having to go to prison as he had intended with the others and say either exile or prison and that just purchase. you mentioned chelsea manning, he of course leaked information through with you leaks and now it looks like we can found feeling a size is being extradited to the united states and weekly published of course classified information including document exposing us war crimes in iraq and afghanistan.

you were one of my attorneys, and you represented also an essay whistleblower tom drake and even ed snowden. what made you decide to take on the national security establishment? my experience of how i was treated as a whistleblower. i thought if they can come down with the full force of the entire executive branch on a public servant who had been a public servant for a long time because they were just doing their job and trying to do it. honestly, it made me, i didn't know what it was. so blower was i had the same reaction. most whistleblowers do when my attorney said, you're a whistleblower. so no, i'm not. i was just trying to do my job, right. but after what i went through the fact that the government ended up putting me under criminal investigation and referring me to the state bars and literally started a whisper campaign in my law firm, which ended up somehow following me even to my own synagogue. i realized how draconian the government can be, how, how brutal and underhanded but also completely over the top. i was a mom. i had 2 young kids. i was pregnant during part of this ordeal.

i know you mentioned ed snowden, here's where teachers me about him. at the time he was in the ca, i read his memoir, which is quite interesting because he was really a kid really in the computers and not in a political science. so he's in there and he discovers that the one thing about the essay that i knew from i been reporting in washington for the new york times. and before that for the a p, i covered the war vietnam war in washington in the pentagon. and so i got to know something, some people who worked in the signals world. and the one thing that i understood is that if you're in the signals where you cannot intercept an american without a warrant, what snowden discovered was told and learned as a consultant, was that they had changed the law base. they opened it up and everybody knew it. they opened it up so they could now listen. if you were listening to somebody, we thought was a, an agent of al qaeda and he had a conversation with an american. you didn't have to hesitate. take it coffee, it down. so snowed, who is not a political person, a t