earlier i spoke to former conservative — now independent — mp, ed vaizey, who was culture minister ined him what he thought about the depiction of the brexit vote as an internal drama within the conservative party. people who say this was an internal party issue for the conservatives do have a point but they have to accept that whoever became prime minister would probably have had to promise a referendum and may have indeed believed a referendum was the right thing. may have wanted to leave the european union. if the conservative party was going to continue to form a government at some point, a referendum was going to happen. secondly, you may criticise him for responding to the threat from the right wing to the conservatives but ukip were winning votes, something like 4 million votes at the european election. they were a group of voters out there who were feeling very passionately and strongly about our motion of the european union. i think a referendum would have been inevitable regardless of whether david cameron called it. in terms ofjudgment, also david cameron talks about demoti

with me is the independent mp, ed vaizey, saying it is not necessary foran vaizey, saying it is not necessary you want a deal to be done but how great is the risk without a concrete plan from the government for something to replace the backstop, something concrete without that, how likely are we to be looking at an no deal situation? you are talking to someone who voted for the withdrawal agreement and is therefore very happy with the backstop. we have got to assume that whatever boris johnson backstop. we have got to assume that whatever borisjohnson comes back with from the european council is going to strongly resemble the withdrawal agreement. you can't have 577 pa g es withdrawal agreement. you can't have 577 pages of a treaty and rip it all up 577 pages of a treaty and rip it all up and start again. we will have to see whether some kind of finesse can be done on the backstop but it is not need the have to worry about, it isa not need the have to worry about, it is a people who voted against the deal on the back of the backstop. interact what i am getting at is give us your insight into

ed vaizey voted against the government to delay no—deal.meron's government. he is considering whether to stand in the next election as an independent. and caroline nokes, a former immigration minister, also rebelled. if borisjohnson if boris johnson doesn't if borisjohnson doesn't deliver brexit on october 31st, can he survive? i think it will be very difficult for him which is why he is focused on it and why i was sympathetic over the summer for his position. you take a judgment call, if parliament won't vote for a deal, what is the next worst thing? potentially, it is brexit so you do everything you can —— it is extending brexit. i change my mind and became a rebel when i felt the prime minister's pledge that he was actively seeking a deal was undermined by his actions, which was effectively to shut down parliament and shut down any opportunity for people like me to have a say on whether we really should crash out with the no—deal. whether we really should crash out with the no-deal. but you have had that say despite his actions to suspen

joining me now is the mp ed vaizey, who served as a culture minister in david cameron's government, are david cameron's criticism is. i think it has been an open secret and that he has been an open secret and that he has been an open secret and that he has been very dismayed and he felt particularly let down by michael gove who obviously was a very close friend and cabinet colleague. lesser by borisjohnson. friend and cabinet colleague. lesser by boris johnson. so friend and cabinet colleague. lesser by borisjohnson. so we have to see... i have to try and silence this dog in the middle of the interview. in terms of that personal toll you were very much part of that friendship group. how big a toll has it taken on the friendship and how has it split the party? is a very big chill. obviously it is the end of the friendship between michael gove and david cameron and its split a lot of people and friends who used to work very closely together. your dog wants to have a discussion. can you do anything about it? we will try and get back to him when there isa try and get back to him when there

ed vaizey is now an independent mp, after he was chucked out of the conservative party. — but wants to leave the eu and voted for theresa may's withdrawal agreement three times. good morning. jess phillips coming about, what will you do with this time? as you said in your intro, i will be spending this time looking at how we can progress the domestic abuse bill, which will have dropped but now the justices have done us a favour and the bill is now back on the books and i will be working to make sure that things are like cross—examination of victims by their perpetrators in the family courts can no longer go on in our country. do you need a certain amount of time for that to be law? can you do it? who knows if the a nswer to can you do it? who knows if the answer to that. yes, we need a certain amount of time, you need committees and many bills to go through parliament. but if there is a will in that place, there is a ways away. we will be seeking a number of different ways to make sure at least second reading happens, so that if parliament falls again, for whatever reaso

with it and we had philip hammond saying boris johnson faced the fight of his life, carolyn noakes, ed vaizeyis johnson could have a significant problem on his hands if seats go to these independent toadies. labour mp ian murray is tweeting evenjo johnson knows his brother can't be trusted to make decisions in the national interest. how much will this undercut the speech and the appeal that boris johnson is this undercut the speech and the appeal that borisjohnson is due to make this afternoon? doesn't itjust underscore the fact that boris johnson is a love or loathe figure? it sort of fits into where we are with politics, such a divided country. you saw at prime minister's questions yesterday the sheer animosity towards boris johnson from the labour benches and his opponents. genuinely, yes, people we re opponents. genuinely, yes, people were critical of theresa may and david cameron. it's different with borisjohnson. people bluntly don't trust him, they don't believe him. and for the prime minister it's very difficult to operate when you have no trust. people are not willing to accept what

with us are andrew bridgen, who‘s a tory mp, and ed vaizey, who‘s not. f the vote where he sort of did not quite say it in explicit words but he said it seemed incompatible to take the tory whip and not vote with the government and then i was told just before the vote and i got a text afterwards. and how do you feel about it? on the night i felt a sense of liberation. i felt i about it? on the night i felt a sense of liberation. ifelt i had done the right thing and getting fired made me feel better. in a strange and bizarre way. yesterday i felt pretty. relatively relaxed about it but very much wanting the tory whip back. today i feel a mounting sense of anger and now you wonder why someone like kenneth clark, who has served for 50 years, has been expelled. we had to put up with nine members of the cabinet voting against the government ‘s flagship policy when theresa may was prime minister and the leader of the house of commons who lay down on the front benches because he was so bored hearing independent mps speak. he voted 100 times against the governmen