william: ed wasserman, former dean of the graduate school of journalism at uc berkeley, thank you so for being here. ed: thank you, william. william: ok, that's one argument in favor. for a different take, i'm joined now by a parent who lost her own daughter in the mass shooting at a movie theater ten years ago in aurora, colorado. sandy phillips is a proponent of stronger gun safety measures, and she was at the white house ceremony with president biden today. sandy phillips, great to have you back on the newshour. you heard what ed wasserman was saying here, that the way in which we show our culture these tragedies is sanitized and that we need to do differently. what do you think about that idea? >> i think it is a horrible idea, as the parent of a child who was murdered. my child was shot six times within ar-15. i speak clearly about what happened to her at the theater and the wounds that she sustained. when we went torial, the medical examiner was discussing her wounds, he wept on the stand. he just started crying. we were not at the courtroom, but we were in the courtroom when t

ed wasserman, very good to have you on the newshour. i know you didn't come to this position easily, but can you case -- can you make the case why should these images be shown? >> it is true that it is not an easy judgment to make, and it is unquestionably true that there are powerful ethical arguments against the position that i'm going to put forth, which is i think concerns with the media ought to be doing. certainly showing images of this kind of carnage is tremendously traumatic for the public. these are images that haunt and that stalk people after they've seen them. and it's a tremendous disrespect and indignity to the people who have lost loved ones. so there's no question but that the kinds of images that i'm talking about putting into wider circulation are going to come at a cost. my concern is that we are a powerfully visual culture and we believe things when we see them. and the dominant images that the public takes away from these killings are somber, respectful. images of candlelight vigil and quietly mourning parents. and