. >> zerlina, kevin wilson, the conservative writer in his op-ed piece talking about where the dividingit comes to a coup, you're either in or you're out. the republican party is leaning pretty strongly toward in. that will leave some conservatives out, and in all like likelihood, permanently out. that's another dividing line between these parties, one that is in favor of, in effect, a coup, in effect denying democracy, and the other party still traditionally in this very old-fashioned way actually in favor of democracy. >> you mean like the constitution saying we can all be that way? >> yes. >> lawrence, i've been thinking a lot about this idea of a coup, and before new reporting released this week about general milley, i was thinking a lot about it being a coup in essentially three parts, right? the courts and rudy giuliani and the gang going to courts and lying about election fraud. the second piece, of course, is the doj, all the phone calls nd pressure donald trump was putting on officials to say it was stolen, and the third piece is the insurrection. but now i'm thinking there is