sort of hurt the president is the insider account, the anonymous op-ed in "the new york times," the details provided to bob woodward and your league in his book "fear: fire and fury," the way these manifest themselves, bob woodward said the truth emerges. they are sort of due for another kind of inside hit. any concerns people inside disapprove of this conduct? >> there's always people inside who voice disapproval, yet let's be real, they still choose to work there, whether it's on the campaign or inside the white house. so private complaints really only go so far in any realm of life. you either choose to be there or you choose to go, depending on someone's conduct. what i do see as a real concern, nicolle, about possible obstruction of justice findings by be rot mueller, that report is on the horizon. they think the fight with george conway, the fights with the late senator mccain, those are distractions. the real conduct they're worried about is whatever mr. mueller may have found. >> tell me more about that, is that based on public reporting, about former white house don mcgahn spending more 30 hours, is that b