eddie bauer version of the ford explorer, do you remember that?of a plaid, right? >> but it just speaks to the sort of the value of brands, and how those brand values have changed over the years. >> exactly yeah, you don't -- what would i buy now if i were to buy eddie bauer something or other do you have anything i don't have anything. >> i haven't been to an eddie bauer in quite some time, which may speak to -- not -- >> i hear you. if you haven't been there, then yeah -- that's how i gauge it. let's move on. moving on. our next guest is seeing signs of the covid economic recovery in her business. let's welcome deborah kafaro, ceo chairman of health care real estate investment trust ventas which owns or has investment in 1,200 properties -- largest senior housing owners in the u.s., 739 senior communities thanks for joining us. it's a great sector to monitor given the pandemic and there are some differences, deborah, that we want to point out you're not necessarily a skilled nursing home seniors live in your facilities, which you own, but they'r