eddie glaude jr. staff writer at the atlantic music and author of the book "twilight of democracy," anne applebaum, and u.s. national editor at the "financial times," ed luce joins us. and joe, dr. scarborough was possibly right. >> i'm not a doctor, but i play one on tv. and usually that's bad news for anybody listening. >> all of these guidelines will catch up with each other. everyone is trying to do the best thing and keep people safe. >> you've been hearing from a lot of doctors we've had on regularly that have been advising caution since last march that it really had no sense to have mask mandates for people outside, who have been vaccinated. and with us seeing in the united states, seeing the rates of vaccinations slow down a good bit, we're also still finding, people are still getting covid. and i've seen it, jack's baseball league has been stopped because of a covid outbreak. >> or one case. >> there are other people who have gotten -- yeah, for a case. but there are other people who are stil

and eddie glaude, he did everything correctly. he was fearful for good reason. so what did he do? he drove to a well-lit area. >> hopefully with cameras. >> where everybody could see. >> hoping that cameras were there. he wanted to make sure that everybody saw everything that happened. they drew their guns on a guy, on a lieutenant! for god's sakes! a lieutenant! serving our country! protecting us every day! a lieutenant in uniform who put his hands outside of the car and continued to be told to show his hands, but get out of the car at the same time! eddie, this was -- well, as mika was saying, this was just absolutely offensive. >> a lieutenant who probably has mental health effects from something that happened in america rather than what happened when he was serving abroad. can you imagine? >> and even asking them to take care of his dog in the backseat, who had, was obviously prbably choking on the pepper spray as well. this is disgusting. the governor and the police officers, the people that lead the police officers in this area, in this state, need to figure out how the hell

eddie glaud, chair -- the sidebar is over. we will get to the panel during our next break. let's listen back in now. >> thank you. >> let me back up a little bit. did you know mr. floyd to spend a lot of time with mr. maurice hall? >> i wouldn't say a lot of time. but he spent time with him, yes. >> right. would you agree that that was kind of from time to time that he would spend time with him? >> yes. >> and you didn't like that, did you? >> excuse me, i didn't like maurice very much, no. >> would mr. floyd be honest with you when he told you that -- when he was with him? >> i'm going to object, your honor. characterization. >> that is sustained. you don't have to answer that one. >> you knew mr. floyd would purchase narcotics from mr. reese -- or maurice hall? >> know that? i speculated that. >> do you recall the fbi agents asking you, did mr. floyd purchase controlled substances from mr. maurice hall? >> yes. >> and do you recall saying yes? >> i did say yes. but i did not see it with my own eyes. >> i'm going to object at this point. >> i'll allow it. >> the pills that

joining me are nbc chief correspondent current kristen welker, eddie glaude jr.princeton university, anna palm her founder of bunch hole news and senior editor of "the dispatch," david french. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >>. >>> good sunday morning. there was no shortages of big stories this week, criticism of police tactics, yet another mass shooting, this one in indianapolis. troop withdrawal from a war zone. president biden tried to flip and then flop on immigration policy. the news that garnered the biggest headlines came when federal aelgt agencies temporarily halted injections of johnson & johnson vaccines because a small number of people suffered blood clots after receiving them. while it's not clear what connection, if any, there is between the vaccine and this clotting, the halt is likely to have profound implications, however temporary it is. will people ever feel confident about getting the j&j shot? >> will vaccine skeptics use this incident to erode confidence in all the vaccines? will developing countries feel the less attractive j&j v

it takes some courage to seize the time. >> eddie glaude, let's also not pretend like we don't understand you think should happen immediately to let the federal legislation that would represent just monumental change in the legislative structure around police conduct? >> well, pressure has to be brought on joe manchin, kirs kyrsten sinema, those within the democratic party who hold a particular conception of policing that we think is problematic. we need to bring pressure to bear so that the rules of the senate can be, you know, adjusted with regards to the filibuster in this instance, nicole, if i understand the question correctly so we can do exactly what reverend sharpton has said. think about the very framework of 20th century policing in this country. when we think about how black communities have been policed in the early part of the 20th century, defined by a society that actually viewed black folk as second class citizens, our communities were supposed to be surveilled and contained. think about how that then transitioned into a discourse of law and order where even if you read th

professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr., and professor at the lyndon b. johnson school of public affairs at the university of texas, victoria defrancesco soto. thank you all so much for being with us this morning. we'll get to that good news on the vaccine in just a moment. but first, we begin this morning with minneapolis and the whole country really on edge as a verdict in the murder trial of former police officer derek chauvin could come this week. closing arguments are set to begin today. the prosecution and defense will make their final cases to the jury before it's sequestered for deliberations. chauvin faces three charges in the death of george floyd. second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. minneapolis is bracing for potential unrest as the city reckons with another police shooting of an unarmed black man in the midst of a trial. there have been protests every day since the shooting of daunte wright. in new york, police officers have been told that they cannot take off any unscheduled days starting today until fur

. >> lengths bring in chuck rosenburg, eddie glaude, chair of african-american studies. chuck, i want to ask you a smart legal. i want to start with a jury question. when you see uniform after uniform, starting with paramedics and then law enforcement official after law enforcement official after law enforcement official laying brick by brick by brick that the conduct by chauvin was not what they were trained to do, his decision making mid arrest which seems to be what the defense is trying to call into question, was not what they were trained to, not appropriate, and that the use of force was not up to him, that a supervisor needed to be called. what does a jury take, typically, from all that sort of crush of law enforcement testimony in that category? >> look, i think the prosecution has done a really good job showing that the use of force here was not just unreasonable and unauthorized but wholly unwarranted given that mr. floyd was prone, lying down on his face in the curb, with his hands cuffed behind his back and that he lapsed into unconsciousness. that part doesn

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and jeremy tate joins us now, along with professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr. is actually something -- eddie and i have been talking about for some time. how you balance -- the best of things and also the most damaging of legacies. i'm curious. have you and cornel west been talking about this issue for some time. >> this all started, we had dr. west on our podcast, the anchor podcast, and really stirred up a conversation that people who may not see eye-to-eye politically see a ton of value to this tradition. and there's an attack right now against this tradition, schools canceling classics like the odyssey. what was really amazing to me was the way students at howard university when word broke that the classics department was going to be eliminated, they really rallied on twitter and other social platforms to make sure this wouldn't happen. >> and there's a line here. students must be challenged. can they confront the fact that human existence is not easily divided into good and evil, but filled with complexity, nuance and ambiguity. talk about that and how that

amy: this week, 70 princeton professors, including keeanga-yamahtta taylor, imani perry, and eddie glaudegned on to a letter published in the campus newspaper, calling on the university to act. the group writes -- "the university should move beyond denial to pursue restitution and repair. the victims of the move bombing, their families, and those of us at princeton invested in black history and communities deserve more." to begin our look at what all of this means, we go to princeton university, where we are joined aisha tahir, a senior who is an african american studies major and helped organize a protest on campus wednesday to support the move community's demands. welcome to democracy now! talk about what you are demanding. >> what we demanded, we wanted our demands to show the complexity of the matter and the fact it was not simple when we came up with the demand acknowledging justice and accountability look very different for the family and how it can look for us and the people at the institution her calling -- one of her most important kind of factors was we went princeton to work wi

. >> glenn kirschner, we'll have to leave it there, eddie glaude, a big thanks to you, and catie beck, on the ground. do keep us posted. i know you're going to stay on top of it, but do let us know if we hear something back from the sheriff or law enforcement here in the next few minutes. thanks to all of you. we are going to stay on top of this story. andrew brown jr. in north carolina. we're also keeping an eye on the white house as well. president biden set to make a major announcement today. some new guidance on mask wearing outdoors. what it means for our country as we get back to some semblance of normalcy next. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99. >> tech: every customer has their own safelite story. this couple loves camping adventures and their suv is always there with them. so when their windshield got a chip, they wanted it fixed fast. they drove to safelite autoglass for a guaranteed, same-day, in-shop repair. we repaired the chip before it could crack. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: rea

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attorney and senior fbi official and eddie glaud, both msnbc contributors. chuck, we will start with you. we know derek chauvin has decided to invoke his fifth amendment privilege. he will not testify. here is part of how that transpired this morning. we will talk about it on the other side. >> is this your decision not to testify? >> it is, your honor. >> all right. do you have any questions about your right to remain silent or to testify on your own behalf? >> not at this time i don't. >> did anyone promise anything or threatened you to keep you from testified? >> no promises or threats, your honor. >> do you feel your decision not to testify is a voluntary one on your behalf? >> yes, it is. >> what do you make of the choice? clearly, he doesn't want to open himself up to the prosecution. the jury undoubtedly wants what he left his knee on mr. floyd's knee. >> the jury does want to hear from him. former officer chauvin has a right not to testify. what you saw there -- you played an important clip -- was the judge making a record for appeal to demonstrate t

. >> professor eddie s. glaude jr, and professor melissa murray, thank you so much for starting us off tonight. >> thank you. >> and coming up, we're gonna cover that case that professor eddie s. glaude jr was talking about, the 16-year-old girl that was shot and killed in columbus, ohio, yesterday. more police body cam video of the incident was released today. that is next. n rouge... and even topeka. yeah, we're exhausted. whew! so, tonight... i'll be eating the roast beef hero from...parm...in...soho. (doorbell) excellent. and, tonight... i'll be eating the coconut curry chicken from...pikliz...in... winter hill. (doorbell) (giggle) oh, they're excellent. i had so many fried plantains i thought i was going to hurl. do ya think they bought it? oh yeah. tex-mex. tex-mex. ♪♪ termites. don't mess up your deck with tex-mex. terminix. here to help. you may have many reasons for waiting to go to your doctor right now. but if you're experiencing leg pain, swelling, or redness, don't wait to see your doctor. these could

. >> professor eddie glaude and professor christina greer, thank you very much for joining us tonight. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts right now. good evening once again. i'm ali velshi in for brian williams. there is breaking news about trump act lite matt gaetz. now under investigation for possible sex trafficking. tonight "the new york times" reveals gaetz was looking to get a blanket pardon from president trump. quote, in the final weeks of president trump's term, he asked the white house for blanket preemptive pardons for himself and unidentified congressional allies for any crimes they may have committed. justice department investigators had begun questioning mr. gaetz's associates about his conduct, including whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old that violated sex trafficking laws. mr. gaetz did not tell white house aides he was under investigation for potential sex trafficking violations when he made the request. aides told mr. trump of the request, though, it's unclear whether mr. gaetz discussed the matter directly with the president. the "times"

leading off our discussion tonight, professor eddie glaud, chair of african-american studies at princeton university. also with us melissa murray, professor at law at new york university. both are msnbc contributors. professor, let me begin with you and your reactions to this day after, this night after the verdict. >> well, i'm still exhausted. there is a kind of general sense that by the tight stomach i've lived with for the last few weeks isn't so tight, but then i'm still dealing with the images of muchia bryant in columbus, ohio, and her death. it feels as if there are these tsunami waves that keep coming. so we're still at it. there was a good verdict but we're still dealing with the question, the central question at hand. >> and melissa murray, we're going to go through all of this evidence again on august 23rd when the trial of the other three officers begins. >> that's right. and again, to eddie's point if this trial was simply about derek chauvin's conduct i think the trial of the officers will be as you say, lawrence, more about the broader culture of policing and how we actual

. >>> let me bring in eddie glaude. it's so great to see you. thank you for being with us.nderstand that the floyd family, obviously, the center of so much of this, is meeting with tim scott, who delivered the response to the president's speech, has been a key republican on this issue of police reform. what does that say about how the process is unfolding right now? >> well, we know that there's an effort to get the george floyd act passed. there are some sticking points. one has to ask the question, what is the nature of those sticking points? what will be the nature of the compromise? i think this kind of one on one meeting with the floyd family and ben crump is an important moment to let them know what they would like the law to do. i'm really interested to see what are -- what's the nature of the compromise? when you look at the components of the bill, one has to ask the question, what are they walking back? particularly, we know that tim scott has some issue with qualified immunity. we have to ask the question, how do we hold police accountable? >> explain that issue,

and professor at princeton university eddie glaude, jr. it's good to have you both. eddie, first of all, your immediate thoughts upon hearing the verdict. >> i was stunned, mika, to be honest with you. i knew the prosecution had put on a clinic. i knew the evidence was overwhelming, but i had a kind of earned skepticism. but i was stunned. and the knot that was in the bottom of my stomach wasn't tied so tightly. so, this is an extraordinary moment. but it's a beginning. the question is what will we do next. >> it is, eddie, an inflection point. you can look back at trayvon. you can look back at what happened in north charleston. you can look back at what happened in staten island with eric garner. of course, charleston, walter scott. and that was an earned skepticism. but talk about the inflection point of this past year, of police officers going on the stand and with their words convicting a fellow police officer. and then a verdict that came in so quickly that i'm not really sure the jurors had a chance to draw a breath after they finally waded through all the jury

attorney and a former senior fbi official and eddie glaude is back, chair of the department of african-american studies at princeton university and msnbc contributor. i want to start with you, paul butler, on this fight between the lawyers while the jury was still in the room about stories. and it has such an echo to what is rotting our politics right now, but it was a fight in a legal context about the defense, at least, interpreted it as denigrating the things they were saying in their closing arguments, basically saying, you can't call it a story. what the prosecution said so powerfully is verdict means truth and there's only one truth. there are not two sides to this case. there's one. >> that's right, nicole, so the prosecution focused on the facts and its closing statement was not flashy, but it was forceful and effective at summarizing weeks of testimony into a coherent story for the jury. and prosecutors are allowed to characterize the evidence, including in ways that the defense may not agree with. so i think the judge made the appropriate ruling here if prosecutors or defense don't li

uncomfortable conversations that you have on your program all of the time when i tune in watching you and eddie glaudeat you were just discussing, a short while ago about what is happening in minneapolis, what happened in the summer of 2020, i think the book is very timely and i think it is necessary in the moment. >> and you did a deep dive into your family's heritage. >> yeah. >> and i'd love for to you tell our friends about that. talk about what you found and really how deep you dug to find out about your family and its past. >> people are often and they should be very proud of who they are and where they came from, if they came over on the mayflower or a slave ship, one should be proud of it and it is tough for many african-americans to figure it out because the records only go back so far. sometimes one or maybe two generations and sometimes three generations if that. and that is not an issue for white americans because they weren't just known as property. so african-americans were just deemed as property and they're often off the records so i went back to the slave coast in africa to trace my a