was that you eddie glaude or derrick johnson? >> i mean, look -- affirmative action -- >> i'm sorry, derrick, go ahead. >> no, you go ahead. >> affirmative action must be understood as a remedy to the historical legacy or at least a partial remedy to the historical legacy of racial discrimination. so here we are now, just a few years, not long, hasn't done much in some ways. it's been successful to a certain degree for a certain sliver of folks. now we might as well say it's dead. what do we do next? what was the world like before affirmative action? what we do know is hbcus did its job, morehead, spellman, prairie view. they did their work in the face of a landscape that denied black and brown students access to quality education. what we need to do in response to the supreme court's decision in this moment, where are we going to invest our dollars? how are we going to invest in public education so that all americans will have access? because what we saw in california was that once they made this decision, only certain folk coul

joining us now professor at princeton university my dear friend eddie glaud jr. so much for being with us this morning. congressman biggs is far from alone. he may be the most extreme but he's far from alone. and he and rhetoric from the right incensed last week. what is your level of concern for violence? maybe it's this afternoon, maybe it's in the days ahead, but what is your level of concern right now about where we are? >> you know, john, it's great to see you this morning, but we're at an inflection point as a country, as a nation, the kind of cultural rift, the political -- the political intensity of the moment has us at each other's throats. and trump is at the central of it all, so i'm deeply concerned. not so much about organized violence. i'm concerned about lone wolves. i'm concerned about florida being an open carry state, a kind of convergence of a number of factors that makes violence a possibility in this moment. i think we need to understand it for what it is, right? this is an inflection point, that the conflicts in the nation are coming to a he

rachel madow and joy reid and eddie glaude. it was not the same without our trio here.at did you think, rachel? >> mostly, i just have a question. how are you doing? you interviewed the president of the united states live on tv. and he hasn't done that with anybody the entire time he has been president. how are you doing? >> i said this to eddie in the break. it was not about me. i would not have minded an i.v. with something calming while it was happening. mike memoli was here. that's part of the story. he is clearly beginning the process of talking to the country. thanks mostly to the two of you. lots of people come to this network and watch. he is ready to put it out there. it's clear to me that he is not changing his bet. his bet is that the institutions are best saved by fighting to protect them and that include a supreme court that he describeed today as not normal. his bet is if he can get to them -- had is the big wild card -- the american people will do the right thing. >> that's a continuity i noticed in this interview more than i noticed it before with his de

the vote was 6-3, and eddie glaude, reacting just after the decision about the lasting impact he sayss will have on higher education. >> this was just one remedy, affirmative action, the only remedy to the legacy of discrimination in admissions in american higher education. one remedy. here they have taken it away. we have a small percentage of black and brown students in elite institutions, that percentage will get even stronger. >> reactions are pouring in from students to members of congress to presidential contenders, including a former vice president mike pence. our own dasha burns caught up with him in ukraine. >> i'm grateful to see the conservative majority that we have built on the supreme court of the united states bring an end to most of affirmative action. look, we want to live in a color blind society. there may have been a time 50 years ago when we needed to affirmatively take steps to correct long-term racial bias in institutions of higher education. but i can tell you as the father of three college graduates, those days are long over. and i'm grateful today that the su

rachel maddow, alex wagner, joy reid, chris hayes, frank figliuzzi, eddie glaude, thank you. thanks to all of you. we're really glad you watched with us. msnbc's special prime time coverage will be back at 8:00 p.m. eastern. in the meantime the beat with ari melber starts right now. i'm glad i let you go because i remember you have your own show to anchor. >> thank you. our thanks to nicolle wallace and the whole team there doing this cover nl. >>> we continue the breaking coverage of the first ever federal indictment of a former president. today the justice department unsealed an indictment of defendant donald trump of 37 counts. we're covering this historic and unprecedented development with our legal experts who have been pouring over this 44-page indictment since it was first unsealed this afternoon. the nation heard from special counsel jack smith for actually the first time ever today. a prosecutor known for his work and today his actions, indicting the former president after about seven months on the job. and he spoke clearly and concisely about this indictment and nat

. >>> joining us, eddie glaude, an msnbc political analyst. >> how big of a test is this right now for? >> it's huge. are we a nation of laws? does the rule of law obtain? i think it's inflection point. we are at a moment culturally, a moment politically where the country is deeply divided. 70 million folks voted for donald trump. do they have trust in our legal system? do they have faith that he will be treated fairly? we are at this inflection point. where will we end up as we come through this, as we go through this? >> i'm wondering, it's just -- there are so many moments where they should be inflection moments. is this, do you think, in the long term going to be something that could change hearts and minds of people about our system and the pillars that make democracy the most important political system on earth? >> well, we will see. we will see how the proceedings -- how they take place. we will see how folk will accept the outcomes or whether they will. i was thinking that what is really important is that in some ways donald trump -- how can i put this? he is the kind of result

rachel maddow, alex wagner, joy reid, chris hayes, frank figliuzzi, eddie glaude, thank you.ecial prime time coverage will be back at 8:00 p.m. eastern. in the meantime the beat with ar