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nbc's vaughn hillyard is covering the trump transition, eddie glaude is back with us as well.hink more than a million federal employees could be impacted by this. what more do we know about how musk and ramaswamy plan to execute these plans? >> reporter: right, vivek ramaswamy said if the federal government were to require all of its workforce to come into the office five days a week, they would be able to eliminate 25% of the federal workforce. that was the prediction of vivek ramaswamy. donald trump installed elon musk and ramaswamy into outside the government consultancy roles to oversee the department of government efficiency to provide what there would be recommendations to downsize the workforce for departments and agencies. now, both of them are making the case that much of this can be done unilaterally by forcing the hand of federal workers to comply with the regulations and decisions by the trump administration and that there will be a natural purging of the federal workforce. but also much of this would come down to the reclassification of part of the federal workfor

joining us now is eddie glaude and chuck rocha. >> good morning to you both. ome to the table this fine sunday morning. eddie, let me get this straight. we have several of donald trump's nominees who have sexual predation clouds over their heads. we have a group inside the administration that's forming planning to go after long-serving men and women of our military who did their jobs, looking to court-martial them because why the hell not, and you have the administration -- this new administration saying, you know what? we don't need fbi investigations for some of our people because that's so cumbersome. the doj, fbi officials, the transition, all of this is signaling a direction for this country which -- i will admit -- i don't understand why people didn't see this coming because donald trump told us we would be here. how do you explain to people now what they are witnessing? do we just sort -- this is just the process? is there something deeper here the country should be concerned about? >> i agree with you. it's great to be here this morning. birds of a feat

. >> i had a conversation an hour ago with professor eddie glaude jr., you have worked with closely.'m not ready for postmortems because i don't have enough data and i need to see the numbers and understandings. to the extent people, there are voters to cast a ballot for donald trump because of valid fears of things like inflation and governance. how do you reconcile that with the fact that we do have a history in this country of bigotry and misogyny. do you have a sense of which played a more put a roll this time? do you think people think they voted in their economic interest but in the back of their mind weren't ready for a woman to be president? >> i think here's the challenge. i think the problem is that the easy response that comes from our history, when people feel vulnerable or afraid, is to attack the other. we almost can't be separated, right? we have a lot of practice. whether we are talking about the history of racial bigotry and unions. whether we are talking about a period of backlash after the civil rights movement. we have experience where people turn, they responded

eddie glaude jr.s extinguished -- distinguished author of books including we are the leaders we have been looking for, and begin again, james baldwin's america and urgent lessons for our own. those critical reads for this moment in time. coming up, democratic governors and attorneys general are preparing to do battle to protect citizens from the new administration that is expected to target women, immigrants and the lgbtq+ community. i will talk to two attorneys general, chris mays of arizona and liam tong of connecticut about the fight that we are leading. and trump as the presidency, republicans have the senate but there are several important races in the house of representatives to be called and control of the chamber is up for grabs. we will go to capital for the latest update on that. that. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal anti-i

now i wasn't going to be as good as eddie glaude, but i was like, i'm sitting at the new school. i'm watching all the hashtag orgs. black lives matter me to to, you know, fight for 15. and it was driving me crazy that everybody was seeing hashtags as the vehicle that produced that's producing the change rather than failing to see and understand all the years and multiple generations fights, organizing and struggle that were behind those hashtags, and that if we didn't understand, we would miss what we have to do. and in this era, right, which is continue to do that work, whether or not we saw understood the direct line to the outcome, which was what my parents work was, was what their activism with all of our not just them. so i was going to do a a lay person's academic book about social movements, about the hashed tags to try to do that kind of public education and a book said to me as i was talking about this book, that i was yet to be written, she said, well, tell me about your mother. and i think it's because i made it clear that i wanted to write this book because i understo

jeffrey: eddie glaude jr.essor of african-american studies at princeton university and author of the 2020 book, "begin again: james baldwin's america and its urgent lessons for our own." >> if you read baldwin closely, there is this underlying idea that we have yet to discover who we are. right? because the ghost of the past in so many ways, not only blind us, but they have us by the throat. jeffrey: james arthur baldwin was born in harlem in 1924 and raised there by his mother and stepfather, a baptist preacher. the oldest of nine children, he excelled in school and served as a junior minister. a man on the margins, black and queer, he spent years of his life abroad, much of it in france, beginning at age 24. he wrote novels including "go tell it on the mountain," an autobiographical book about growing up in harlem, and "giovanni's room," about a tormented love affair between two men living in paris. and powerful essays exploring race and american identity, including "notes of a native son" and "the fire next

at the end of the day, this is something that our friend and buddy eddy glaude talks about all the time, that we have control over this. we, the people, control this. we don't have to -- we don't have to go down this road. our fate in this country is not that bad that we would turn it over to a two-bit, you know, wanna-be dictator who is going to enrich himself, engorge himself off of federal dollars and contracts. and relationships for his hotels and his properties and continue to cozy up to our adversaries to mimic their illiberal bad behavior because he wants to fit in. he's so insecure, he's so inept at being president that he has to follow someone else's lead and he has to pretend to be something else, he can't be an american president, he has to be a putin president. he has to be an orban president and that's not what america is about. so, we have to decide as a country if this is really what is -- how it ends. yes, i said ends. because it doesn't get better when you open up this pandora's box of hell and expect people to sort of realize an american dream that is slowly being ripp

and with me here, distinguished political scholar and professor at princeton, eddie glaude. or if this is what has been telegraphed at the convention and project 2025. >> from the moment that i reported live with you from the floor of the republican convention as thousands of people held up those mass deportation signs, just like with family separation, you know, i learned to believe that the administration and i spent yesterday afternoon, you mentioned immigration activists and attorneys and members of civil society that fought back and stopped the policy. yesterday at a screening of separated in l.a., i was with dozens of them and this is what they expect to happen. what they've been planning to happen and they don't relish what they see as a fight coming ahead, but they are prepared for it. what i will tell you is if the military indeed is going to be involved as is being intimated by homan and president-elect trump and other, some of the same concerns we saw during the family separation policy are going to be front and center. a lot of these facility that house children

with me at the table distinguished political scholar professor at princeton university eddie glaude joinsatic senator claire mccaskill is back. david, i loved your piece. take us through what you're finding and preaching if i may. >> i don't know that i'm preaching anything. but i have been talking to my friends and a lot of people in the past week and there's a lot of hyperventilating going on. there's a lot of people trying to say that what has happened is this big simple thing or that big simple thing. and of course it was a lot of things that happened including some forces that we're not in control of, the politicians involved. this global trend against incumbents or the regular rejection of the incumbents within the united states. the desire for change. yes, i agree with chris murphy, we are out of touch with both the republican base but also the democratic base. had the same number of democrats showed up to vote as voted in 2020, kamala harris would be the president-elect right now. so we need to take a deep breath. we need to give it some time. but then we need to prepare. prepare

. >> eddie glaude jr. >> self-introductions. >> analyst host of the 11th hour, great stephanie ruhleyork state democrat antonio delgado, a piece for the "new york times" democrats it's time to say goodbye to our neo liberal era. >> is it mr. lieutenant governor. >> how about antonio. >> we can't do that. >> why not. >> new generation of leadership. i like it. so stephanie, we had a conversation with pablo earlier about -- >>> torre. >> i thought he was madonna status with "morning joe," you say pablo and everybody knows. threads versus bluesky and a lot of people are saying i'm getting off of x, you say they should stay in and fight. explain. >> not necessarily fight. i hear all the negativity about x. i don't disagree. i don't disagree that elon musk bought x and turned it into a, you know, the social media arm of the maga movement. we all sat in the middle of it during the campaign possibly not realizing like fat chickens getting attacked all day and being part of the maga messaging. the election is over. everybody is getting smarter and better. i'm not sure the right idea is to le