eddie glaude is back with us. re the line is between the white house's anti die push and what we saw at the white house yesterday. >> he's gaslighting us, ali. he's lying. you know, i can't believe what you say because i see what you do. that's james baldwin. so, you know, he could have his his his celebration or reception where they can serve lamb chops and collard greens. but we know what the assistant acting assistant secretary for civil rights in the department of education. we know what the letter was just sent out. we know what he's doing across agencies. we know how dei has been a catch all phrase for race in this country. they are engaged in an all out assault on the revolutions of the mid 20th century in the united states. they're engaged in an assault on the black freedom struggle and the assault on the gay liberation movement and the assault on the women's liberation movement. they're literally trying to rip out the infrastructure of what fundamentally changed the social fabric of this country, to mix my

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thank you, eddie glaude. stick around, my friend, because, you know, we want want to clarify before before i want to go i want to clarify. nbc news has reported that 3500 irs folks have been fired. the 6000 plus number is something we have not confirmed ever. kelly. thank you again, eddie. stick around because we still want to discuss where things stand with the many legal challenges against trump and elon musk. chainsawing of the federal government. yeah, see, that's what's happening, right? because this is the weekend. we're going to talk about it. thank you so much. about it. thank you so much. you. lakesha: childhood cancer is-- it's a long road. it's hard. but st. jude has gotten us through it. st. jude is hope that you have a chance at life. and it goes such a long way for every child diagnosed with cancer because the research is being shared all over the world. it's awesome. [music playing] hungry and need help right now. >> many animals are starving wondering if. >> food will. >> ever come. with the u

. >> i want to bring in princeton university professor eddie glaude. studio, new york times reporter jeremy peters. both are msnbc contributors. i mean, first, jeremy, the visual aspect of this, you have president trump behind the resolute desk, but this was a press availability dominated by elon musk. but let me ask you about the actual order that was signed, because it gives musk's team the power to go into every single agency and determine who to hire and fire. so what's this going to look like going forward? >> well. >> i think it's very uncertain, right? >> because the courts. >> have shown a. >> willingness to step in. >> and block a number. >> of these. >> cuts so far. and to curb some of president trump's. assumed authority. the devil. >> is going to be in the details in a lot of these. >> cuts, chris. >> because you. >> know, what. >> we've often seen when it comes to trump plans, especially. as they relate to tariffs or, you know, spending cuts of any time. >> is there. >> are plenty of escape hatches that republicans have built for themselve

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this idea i was talking about it with with eddie glaude yesterday, that as we see progress, particularlylized groups in america, this happens. we get remarkable pushback. and some people think that in 1865, the civil war ended and slavery ended, and things marched happily on. not true at all. it was it was fully 100 years later that we even got close to the equality that most people think we got in 1865. and now we're in this sort of a period again. >> absolutely. >> thanks for having. >> me on. and just to clarify, everything you read from the boston review piece was not written by me. so i definitely don't want to take credit for someone else's scholarship. so i. >> think what's. >> important to understand in this moment, i called it the second nadir, that that phrase, the nadir, was coined by the historian rayford logan, and it talked about this. period that we now call jim crow. so why is that important? because right after slavery, we have this remarkable period called reconstruction and black americans just coming out of slavery achieve remarkable rights. this is where we get the 1

also a professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr.on his social media. you know how how you're doing. are you detoxing? are you you backing off a little bit? >> oh, you. >> know, you fall off the wagon, joe. >> oh my. >> fall off the wagon. >> anyway, the host of all in with chris hayes. chris hayes, his new book, the siren's call how attention became the world's most endangered resource, debuted at number one on the new york times bestsellers list last week. it's like elton. that's an elton john thing. it's like captain fantastic and the brown dirt cowboy. number one. >> the morning joe bump. >> well, let's get another one. why do you think the book's connecting? oh, i. >> think, you know, the book is about attention and how we sort of live in this perpetual state of distraction against our own will. and like odysseus bound to the mast, we're fighting all the time to retain dominion over our own minds. and i think that was true a years ago about the relationship we have to this and the screens. and then now in the last two weeks, all

. >> elizabeth, this is eddie glaude.> with usaid could be considered kind of the canary in the mine. >> so what. >> should we take from what's happening here for what we might think will be happening down the road? >> well, this has been the, so far, the most aggressive assault, i would say, on a federal agency. their plan so far it's been it's been temporarily blocked by judges. the doge plan that is also trump's plan was to take to reduce usaid from 10,000 employees to a little less. than 300. that basically is no longer an agency. you can't run, you can't do anything with that number of people with the kind of ambitions that usaid had. now that's all been blocked. but at the same time, there's been thousands of contractors who have also been fired outright. they do not have the job protections that the federal employees have. and those contractors are a big part of it as well. so i think this is this was their test case to show what they could do, and they did it. so they've done it so quickly and overnight in a matte