fighting, fist in the air, multiculturallist in me who is like, representation, i'm happy that eddie juan has a show itch -- i'm thinking, this is something i might be able to actually recognize and representation to recognition is always really important. >> host: so, you're a culture historian. i got to push back against your optimism. your overall, overarching optimism, even in the -- you look across history and you see where we have been, and in the book you talk about the structural stuff. in a new answered way. -- knew nooned way. at the end of the book you reiterate from king and -- you reiterate just how hopeful you are as one of their children, that we are going to be able to imagine and produce a world that in my estimation, there's no evidence for. i might share your optimism, but i want to know where you get it from, because i -- the book to me talks about just how complicated and messy this stuff is, and yet you retrieve out of that mess a sent -- sense of hope. >> guest: people talk about changing demographics. i come from a chinese hawaiian family. i married into a filipino