if would trade a heck of a lot higher if you didn't have eddie lampert lending more and more money there. you can find other portions of the debt market where there are clear winners. but the key element here is that the brick and mortar retail industry is still too large. >> i totally disagree with you toys r us -- excuse me, now let me talk. i'm shaking my head because we just walked two weeks ago toys r us bonds completely complacent -- >> that's a very unique situation. >> with all due respect -- with all due respect, the bond market is -- the corporate bond market is asleep. the spread between -- the spread between treasuries and corporate bonds right now makes no sense outside of the context of global central banks supporting credits that quite frankly should not be trading where they are, certainly should not be as tight as they are. and i'm going to tell you something. it is not so simple as, oh, they just have to invest in digital, they'll be fine. macy's is the poster child for a company pouring its heart and soul into digital and it didn't help the stock is down by two-thirds,