. >> had didedelsteid edelstein mt requirement? >> they propose to work with the consultants for that. their proposals are to work with them at 3.5%. >> can you see any language on that? >> [unintelligible] >> i have a question on that item as well. there are other utility checks that use in-house lobbying services. was there a decision -- how did the decision, about to contract out, rather than provide this as in-house? >> >> we had conversations within the leadership of the puc. historically, we have used lobbyists in sacramento and they have done that quite well. they have discreet, concrete work plans that they go off of. there was not a lot of interest in stepping up. you will remember that this past year, we hired a director of the budget of legislative affairs to town in how we are using our work locally. that was seen as a priority more so than hiring an additional position. >> it has always been a five- year contract? fa>> the last ones were five years. did you know for how long? >> the last contract, and i have been here