he spoke about ederal efforts to expand broadband and how it would affect his state. >> let me start with your responsibilities in oregon. there is a big push at the state and federal level to get broadband to as many houses as possible. can you talk about the challenge in oregon? >> the challenge is one of geography. you have low populations that are not near any kind of broadband network. it is difficult to serve those folks when there are only a few of them out there and sometimes hundreds of miles to get there. the challenge is whereedo you determine to go and where does the business case not justify the investment. you want to go where industry cannot do it. we're trying to map it and determine where those areas are and focus on them and figure out a way to serve them in the least cost fashion to the federal and state funds. >> let us start with the easy question -- mapping. it seems you will need to figure out a way to do that in order to monitor compliance, from a regulatory standpoint. whaa are the challenges of mapping, especially in a large rural area? >> we have to get the

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