startups that are sparring to be liberateded companies multinationals like michelin the castle and edf the now trying to emulate the idea as well. well for some analysis on these issues i'm joined now by gail said. he specializes in human centric management and advises companies seeking to change that way. hello hello thank you very much for being with us welcome. h how would you define human centric mananagemet is k kd of susuper simple i mea- human centered management is just about taking care of people and never do to. your team what you put off like your own manager is doing to you so it's really really simple. wedgeses from stand on that front. unfortunately francis probably one of the worst. in the world i'm talking about developed countries where really far far f far compared to germany to u. k. including uk even the us i mean. human centered managagent is really something that is kind of cultural for instance for swedish people which is not the case for france. and is there also a sense that until quite recently the french didn't view management as a separate skill set that you