. >> we have edgar lopez, the deputy director of public works and our city architect and oversees project management. i know phil ginnsburg is here who can talk about the work at brecken park. >> okay. why don't we call up romulus? that would be helpful. i'm trying to build somewhat of a picture of how often, how well l.b.e.s are doing in that range. i think it's a credit to the l.b.e. program in our city and how the discount plays into helping to advance and support that environment. >> so the question was regarding how they're winning from five to ten? >> yes. at five to ten, they are -- i don't have the exact percentage, but it's definitely not as successful as that below the threshold. certainly you will see a good amount of l.b.e.s. >> so a good amount of l.b.e.s are winning in the contract range. >> correct. >> so through the city administrator kelly, you talked about the subcontracting goals, and you said up to 5 million. can you explain how that plays into our conversation today? >> so we talked about bidding as a prime. many of the micro-l.b.e.s are successful -- >> so five to te

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