for edmund burke individual oferty was the essence modern conservatism. when herbert hoover started speaking out against the new deal his speeches were called , the challenge to liberty. that is how he saw the new deal, as a challenge to individual freedom. conservatives -- historically what conservatives are about is economic, religious and political that is the heart of conservatism. but the question is does liberty still resonate with people today? has liberty become just an abstraction to people that is part of their daily lives? i live in california obviously and when my wife and i were discussing some redesign in our home and i said i need a new showerhead. this one is kind of clogged up and i would like a more powerful one. we can't get that kind of showerhead because it's illegal here in california. i said, well, but i want these knobs. we can't have these knobs. those are not permitted where we live. i said, if i can't have my shower maybe i'm over regulated. it was one of those moments where liberty was not an abstraction for me. i can't get a s

and thomas paine. >> exactly edmund burke was a wig and a sense he comes from the reforming partyhe fundamental disposition was gradual reform that is not revolution almost offered in opposition and says we need to change gradually not to lose what works pain had much less patience and said the status quo was unjust when he to overturn and start over we know those principles to guide free politics so throughout what we have and start over in the right way both of those hues it was a conservative and a radical revolution you can see that in the declaration of independence by stating radical principles that then goes on to state previous to me is to overthrow governments and it goes on to list why they want to revolt. they have denied the right to those institutions that have long been there's it's a purely radical break so it contained the entire framework of the politics that would be hours. >>host: the first call from elizabeth in new jersey. >>caller: hello. i want to ask, how does he explain the disconnect how they go along with the amoral and self-serving dictator like preside

even edmund burke said change is inevitable.of being prudent change and that's what i as a traditional conservative am looking for to the right kind of leadership, the right kind of debate and discussion was to i welcome all that's going on right now, all the various strands all the various strains of conservatism. that's good stuff coming out of that will be a bigger better conservative movement in the years ahead. >> i want to read you a quote, barry would just go absolutely crazy if he were watching this today. he would be yelling at the television, he would think it's embarrassing the situation we have with donald trump. it's not the republican party or the country that we do 25 or 30 years ago, that was susan goldwater on march 21, 2016. >> right. well, i think there's something to be said for that. at the same time, goldwater was a practical politician. he was not just a man of principle, which he was the conscious of the conservative but he was also practical person. he would've said, wait a minute now, 63 million people

they don't read adam smith or edmund burke, but they come from the same schoolyards and the same playgroundsowns as we come from. they share our beliefs and convictions, our hopes and our dreams. they are the conservatives of the heart. they are our people. and we need to reconnect with them. we need to let them know we know how bad they're hurting. they don't expect miracles of us, but they need to know we care. there were the people of -- [applause] -- they were the people of hayfork, the tiny town up in california's trinity alps, a town that is now under a sentence of death because a federal judge has set aside nine million acres for the habitat of the spotted owl, forgetting about the habitat of the men and women who live and work in hayfork. and there were the brave people of koreatown who took the worst of those l.a. riots, but still live the family values we treasure, and who still deeply believe in the american dream. friends, in those wonderful 25 weeks of our campaign, the saddest days were the days of that riot in l.a., the worst riot in american history. but out of that awful tra

whileut a lot of spies on both sides british and french and all the politics of the time like edmund burkend others on the side of the american plaintiff you to appoint. in the same kind of book could be written about the civil war. i would love to read a book about charles wilson the philadelphia painter who was intoph everything talk about thh century enthusiast and the tinker with mechanical devices a soldier or politician and everything wrote wonderful letters keeping a diary and ponew everybody. the idea of doing somebody he wasn't a politician or general or soldier appeals to me. >> no interest in the present? no more truman? >> no. that's not quite the present. >> your lifetime. >> not particularly. i will stay in the 18th century. i really like it there. i'm starting to know e everybody. i like the change in the literature and thehe art the architecture very much. >>cspan: did you get to know henry knox? >> to his letters through a variety of places at the morgan library in new york but the diary beginning from ticonderoga which i produce in the book in the pictures section that is