and this is this goes back to edmund burke's , you back to edmund burke's, you know, society's littlelest of the platoons. and so the state should not be involved. this sounds the argument sounds like east germany in the 70s or the soviet union or the chinese, where the state ruled all and people were ratting out their own parents and it's really dangerous. so any time you disagree, you know, if you want to teach your children about trans genderism, fine. go ahead and you'll know when your child is ready . is ready. >> anyway, that's your that's your choice. >> but don't let the state do it. >> a final question while i still have you, fred, can what are the numbers? you know and i in terms of pushing back, you know, what spilled billed a million people march a million people, you know , when it comes people, you know, when it comes to the counter—protest , how many to the counter—protest, how many were mustered for for the the opposite side of the argument? >> well, i think the largest crowds were in the big cities in ottawa. we had about 1000 protesters matched by an equal number of

and this is this goes back to edmund burke's , you back to edmund burke's, you know, society's littlelest of the platoons. and so the state should not be involved. this sounds the argument sounds like east germany in the 70s or the soviet union or the chinese, where the state ruled all and people were ratting out their own parents and it's really dangerous. so any time you disagree, you know, if you want to teach your children about trans genderism, fine. go ahead and you'll know when your child is ready . is ready. >> anyway, that's your that's your choice. >> but don't let the state do it. >> a final question while i still have you, fred, can what are the numbers? you know and i in terms of pushing back, you know, what spilled billed a million people march a million people, you know , when it comes people, you know, when it comes to the counter—protest , how many to the counter—protest, how many were mustered for for the the opposite side of the argument? >> well, i think the largest crowds were in the big cities in ottawa. we had about 1000 protesters matched by an equal number of

for edmund burke, the kind of combination of the old aristotle, the landed aristocracy, with the instinctive conservatism of the many right. if you read burke's rabid thoughts on the revolution that are considerations on the french revolution, what does he say? the aristocracy is especially response rebel for preserving the way of life that's been developed organically from the bottom up. that a kind of responsibility of the elite to preserve the order of the society and this is the origins of the party order or of conservatism. and they were posed against party of progress, which was typically a combination of economic and social liberals. what most countries in the world call the liberal party and which we we in some ways have failed to understand that, that this combination of the social and economic liberals really does constitute a single. in the 20th century and in significant part because of what louise began by saying of particular circumstances arising from the cold war conservatism against russell kirk's was transformed in a liberal direction, what was called liberalism, especially

as edmund burke said democracy. as edmund burke said to the electors of bristol in the 1780s, you elect your mp to go to parliament in order to exercise his or her judgement as best they conceive on your behalf. we don't elect them to go there and do what you say. >> the doctor's mandate, that's how it was referred to. you wasn't it? the idea that in the end the doctor will make the judgement, doctor being judgement, the doctor being a metaphor yeah, metaphor for an mp? yeah, exactly . exactly. >> so. >> e”- 5” why >> and that's why hanging was never reintroduced, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, 1troduced, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactlyed, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactly ,i, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactly , because’ >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactly , because the >> well, exactly, because the point is those 60% of the point is that those 60% of the pubuc point is that those 60% of the public from time to time, 50, 60% of the public th

as edmund burke said democracy. as edmund burke said to the electors of bristol in the 1780s, you elect your mp to go to parliament in order to exercise his or her judgement as best they conceive on your behalf. we don't elect them to go there and do what you say. >> the doctor's mandate, that's how it was referred to. you wasn't it? the idea that in the end the doctor will make the judgement, doctor being judgement, the doctor being a metaphor yeah, metaphor for an mp? yeah, exactly . exactly. >> so. >> e”- 5” why >> and that's why hanging was never reintroduced, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, 1troduced, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactlyed, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactly ,i, it? >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactly , because’ >> and that's why hanging was nevwell, exactly , because the >> well, exactly, because the point is those 60% of the point is that those 60% of the pubuc point is that those 60% of the public from time to time, 50, 60% of the public th

. >> again, you're talking about a force, starting with edmund burke, that was a reaction to the french revolution and the radicalism there, eddie glaude. conservative was about custom, it was about consistency. it was about -- well, as russell kirk said in "the conservative mind," i think the seventh and last edition, he said, "conservatives look at the world and then they decide, do we need to be the party of progress, or do we need to be the party of perseverance, where we're pushing back against radical change?" that radical change might have been, you know, a radical thought or whether, now, it's the tech revolution that's completely turned our lives and our children's lives upside down. but a conservative is supposed to look at the world, russell kirk said, and ask the question, do we need to be the party of preserving or the party of progress? what does this moment, what does this reality call for? instead of protecting custom and constitution, you now have republicans pushing a guy who said, if the constitution gets in the way of me serving another four years, we'll just termina

and soul of your work is to find a middle ground, and in these culture wars -- i was weaned on edmund burke sheila: i think what we are doing at salamander through my company is we are bringing in programming. i have taken it from bet into the hospitality business with the film festival. i have been able to check the box on the diversity issues where i bring in top black chefs from around the country to celebrate food from the black diaspora. we do it in a fun way. we bring the american ballet theater in. i like to continue the entertainment part of it into my hospitality company, and that is where we are answering many of the questions. tom: sheila john bet "walk through fire." lisa: it is an important conversation to be had. we talk about all of the dissidents on the social level having an honest conversation. tom: what will be due at 9:00? we have house -- we do at 9:00? we have housing data? lisa: we have housing data. tom: good morning. ♪ ¡se fue la luz! pero todavía tenemos wifi para hacer las tareas. ¿y eso es algo bueno? wifi y estudiar. buenísimo. wifi y pedir una pizza online serí