mr. edward ard, we appreciate your insights tonight. thank you. hope frances has spoken out against the laws on the books in some 60 countries that criminalize homosexuality saying that they are unjust. now that message comes just ahead of the pontiff visit the south sudan wanted numerous african countries where being gay is a crime sometimes punishable by death. so look to see who we are. all children of god who kidding and god loves us as we are. and for the strength that each one of us has to fight her at dignity, zerosix being homosexual, is not a crime. it is not a crime, sheep, yes, but it to send you say, well, yes, but let's make this distinction placed between sin and crime. it's also an intellect charity with one another. so what about that? every man and every woman must have a window in their life with where they contend to help, and where they can see the dignity of god and being homosexual isn't a crimes. it's a human condition is not oh my next guest tonight is one carlos cruise. he is an openly gay man who serves as an adviser to p