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i'm joined now by cnn religion commentator and catholic priest, father edward beck. father, probably no building outside of st. peter's basilica is more iconic of the catholic faith, but it's not just catholics who were grieving yesterday, and today, at the sight of the flames and now the destruction. >> no, there's universality to this place because i think it lifts one's spirit up no matter what your denomination is. when you thing about this took centuries to build, and then all of the restoration and all of the history that it has endured, and all of the people who have visited there. and you know, it's not only a tourist attraction. i think of the fact that babies were baptized there, people were married there, people were buried there. and so it's a living faith community as well. it's the mother church. there are about 100 parishes around paris, but this is the cathedral. this is the seat of the church in paris. with its long history and all of the memories of people who had visited there, it's making an indelible mark on people who have never been and who hav

. >>> joining me is commentator father edward beck. thank you so much for joining us on this easter sunday. first of all, what was your reaction when you heard that among those more than 200 victims today were christians in what we now understand were three catholic churches just celebrating easter mass? >> well, you know, alex, of course it is not the first time that people have conspired to make this week not holy week but an unholy week. remember, there have been easter attacks in kenya, pakistan, india all in recent years and the fact that in the christian minority country that is on the major feast days, even the christians show up in such numbers knowing the risk. that's just a testimony to me that people do believe in the power of goodness and the message of this season, of rebirth, that that's stronger than the evil an that's stronger than the violence and the death. and it's really the testimony of the faith. so my first response was, this terrible tragedy has once again befallen innocent people, christians, on this high holy

joshua dub ois and commentator edward beck just interviewed mayor buttigieg on this topic. so thank you for being with me and we'll get back to this back and forth in a moment. but father beck, i have to start with you. what did the mayor tell you about his faith? >> well, he said it is gospel-based and it is really socially driven for him. for him matthew 25 is the heart of the gospel. that teaching of jesus that said did you care for the poor, did you visit the imprisoned, did you care for those in need? and he thinks that governor pence -- they had a history, he was the mayor of south bend, pete, and the mayor and the governor tried to put through this religious freedom restoration act which mayor pete saw as an -- a license to discriminate against gay people and so he went after it. and that is where this battle began. so he thinks that mike pence's view of religion is about sexual ethics and mayor pete said my view of religion is care for the poor, do what jesus did. >> well you heard mayor pete on -- we played the clip from "ellen" where he said he's not attacking the

jim, can you can stand by i want to bring in father edward beck on the phone. is an iconic catholic landmark during a very important week. as you are watching this happen, what are you thinking? >> well, the cathedral has been through so much in its history. remember, it's built between the 12th and 14th serchl centuries. as was just mentioned, tourists come from all over the world to pray in this beautiful cathedral. to see so much history going up in flames, it's heart breaking. i mean, the centerpiece of that cathedral, all these organs, one of the largest organs in the world and the stain glass windows. it's gone through a number of periods before of destruction and restoration. and yet, they kept that facade and that interior true to the original design. it was vandalized in the 16th century. it was vandalized and the contents, and many of the exteriors were removed because they were considered idol ris. it was at one time a storage warehouse for food. to see the survival of that and the numerous restorations and now to see this, it's heart breaking. >> we