edward brooks, the first african-american elected -- >> but michael, this is the problem.there are no everett dirks in big events because that's not where the base is at. >> understood. and i think that's where the party needs to recognize it is and where it needs to move to. it needs to understand its history and put it in the proper context. you know, a hundred jesse helms or strom thurmonds in the united states senate does not broadening the party make. does not inclusion make. does not send the kind of message to not just folks who aren't in the tent with us, but to those who are already inside the tent, that you're not really understanding where this party needs to go. >> and part of this, though, is that the incentives are for ted cruz to say things like this. the kind -- this is where i think the rubber hits the road. i understand conservative friends of mine, conservative colleagues of mine who say, don't call us racist, don't call the tea party racist, don't call the conservatives racist, and i say, no, that's painting with a broad brush. but he was a racist. >> t