there is also plaque that's an interesting story, edward carrington from charlotte county got to convention a bit late and the church was filled. so he stood outside her window st. john's church and heard henry's liberty or death speech. at the conclusion of it he pronounced to whoever was around, let me be buried on the spot. and his family remember that and that is where he is planted. one of the difficulties of writing about patrick henry is that he -- not a penman. i guess may be of some space vehicle gets far enough away so you can pick up soundwaves that have been traveling for more than two centuries but it's only under that circumstance that we would be able to have any record of what he actually said. there were no tape recorders, no video cameras and the like. what we do have his testimony and i think carrington's burial place is one form of testimony. people who heard and what were greatly impressed with his ability to communicate, he was i attribute his communication skills in a nutshell to two things, one, expected in one perhaps surprising. he was influenced as young man by th