there's a school of thought, and edward lucas, a british commentator, believes closed societies now havereoccupied still with issues around privacy. are free societies in a weaker position? i believe they probably are. iwould... i would agree with that, because we are restrained. we're actually quite restrained by our own rules, what we can do. other countries, maybe not so much. you can look back on a long career at the cia — and a very successful one — but as we've discussed, you've also had to address really difficult issues about responsibility for bad stuff, about knowledge that the cia has done some very bad stuff. and ijust wonder now whether you would say to young americans today thatjoining the cia is an honourable thing to do. it's a big question. the cia has done, as you say, some bad stuff. there is a history where mistakes have been made, some purposely, some not purposely. mistakes have been made. there's probably not another organisation as large as the cia that couldn't say, looking over their shoulder, "yeah, we shouldn't have done that. "that was a bad decision." there'