secretary, you mentioned edward shevardnadze. you spent a lot of time with him both before and after that particular period. i recall that you were actually out shooting sheep with him in mongolia when -- >> no, he wasn't shooting sheep. i didn't say i wasn't shooting sheep. >> yeah. would you say that again? >> although the fact of the matter was i really wasn't shooting sheep because the national security advisor we had at the time told "the washington post" i wanted to hunt sheep and they wouldn't let me do it. >> so those opening days of desert storm, you and edward shevardnadze were doing something in mongolia. >> no. we were negotiating arms control in siberia. we're sitting there. i got a call from bob kimmitt, undersecretary of state for foreign affairs. he said we're worried about what intelligence is reporting to us about iraqi on the border of kuwait and you might check with your interlocutor there to see what he knows about it. at that time, iraq was a client state of the soviet union. so i turned to him and i said, e