two years ago edward snowden, a former u.s. national security agency contractor made headlines in a bit of history when he revealed intelligence agencies tracked americans phone calls, emails and metadata through a series of surveillance tools. mainstream news coverage painted edward snowden as a hero or pariah. president obama said he welcomed the debate pitting national security gapes the right to privacy. secretary of state john kerry still calls edward snowden a traitor and a coward. this week congress may hand edward snowden his biggest victory. june 1st a controversial section of patriot act, exposed by edward snowden, the part that gives the n.s.a. some powers expires. congress is torn over renewing the law. if it doesn't there's a piece of legation lying in wait, the u.s.a. freedom account, ending aspects of the surveillance programme as we know it. is it congress's digsecision to make. there was a meeting in the british countryside involving tech giants and former intelligence chiefs a band of big brothers discussing b

edward snowden.y brother and the dancing raisins but next we debate the reason between healthy disobedience and rioting [baseball crowd noise] ♪ ♪ [x1 chime] ♪ ♪ [crowd cheers] oh! i can't believe it! [cheering] hi, grandma! ♪ >> get back. john: part of the rioting in baltimore. our next guest calls it civil disobedience. kevin powell is an author and activist labeling the baltimore situation because it is it racist to use the word riot. >> i said using that term to describe people in urban areas when they a prize or rebel. john: that looks like a riot then for about university of kentucky or any college program when they lose the championship came they don't call them thugs or gangsters or riot. john: you are right we did see vandals but after the stanley cup riot when vancouver lost the police chief called them criminals and thugs. said nato summit protest the eggs and wisconsin's state protests union thugs it isn't just black. >> i agree but when you talk about urban areas we are stereotyped. mayb

edward snowden.y brother and the dancing raisins but next we debate the reason between healthy disobedience and rioting the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. >> get back. john: part of the rioting in baltimore. our next guest calls it civil disobedience. kevin powell is an author and activist labeling the baltimore situation because it is it racist to use the word riot. >> i said using that term to describe people in urban areas when they a prize or rebel. john: that looks like a riot then for about university of kentucky or any college program when they lose the championship came they don't call them thugs or gangsters or riot. john: you are right we did see vandals but after the stanley cup

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in 2013, he played a pivotal role in helping national security agency whistleblower edward snowden leave kong for russia. during the u.s. hunt for snowden, bolivian president evo morales'plan was forced to land in austria for 14 hours after spain, france, portugal and italy closed their airspace under pressure from the united states over false rumors snowden was on board. i asked wikileaks founder julian assange to talk about what he knew about the incident. >> let's go back to 2013. there was a worldwide manhunt for edward snowden. at a particular moment in time, the largest manhunt the world has ever seen. more resources put into it over that two week period than any other manhunt. the manhunt for osama bin laden over and expanded period was larger, but over that short period of because of the abilities now the national security agency and incredible paranoia by the u.s. general intelligence committed to, which is about 100,000 strong, vast resources were put into trying to grab edward snowden or workout where he might go, or he was going, and grab him there. so we were against that an

emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden? kim: he will be remembered in history as one of the great people of our time. i think he is a hero and i admire him for his courage. emily what about julian assange? what is your relationship with him yet ofhim? kim: what julian assange is doing is putting a spotlight on the secrets. emily: you tweeted you were going to be hillary's worst nightmare. how so? >> it is probably more julian. i am aware of some of the things that are going to be roadblocks for her.

i have to ask because of edward snowden's involvement in all of this, have you spoken to him about the decision by this new york federal court? >> i have. and he is thrilled about it. i think it's important to note i found it notable you asked whether this vindicates mr. snowden and he evaded your question completely. it is true that senator wyden has gone around for years trying to start a debate but didn't tell the american people about what the government was doing. so we couldn't debate it. it took edward snowden to come forward and came forward in large part because he heard director clapper, the senior u.s. national security official tell the senate and the american people falsely that the government was not doing exactly the program that the court today said was illegal. so to have an appellate court, the first time an apel late court looked at the legality of the program, come out and

administration published a piece entitled "glenn greenwald, i'm sorry: why i changed my mind on edward snowden." joining us now is hodding carter, contributor to the new book after snowden, privacy, secrecy and security in the administration stage. and here to accept that apology, glenn greenwald. mr. carter, thank you for joining us tonight. glenn is going to be on a little bit of a delay coming to us from south america. tell us how you did this most remarkable of things from washington creatures, changing your mind. i have a suspicion that living outside washington had something to do with it. >> it had something to do with it, but actually, just sitting back for a moment and saying, wait a minute, what did the man actually do? yes, yes, yes, he released some material. it was material which the government had no business having. that becomes clear. the second was material the government has been assembling in ways which no one outside the inner reaches of government had any idea that was going on. the combination was sort of overwhelming. this was the last statement of a national security st

does is right or wrong, does that make edward snowden the hero or the goat?ote this when edward snowden come out. i don't care whether he's a hero or a goat. i think it's a distraction. is the information he gave us accurate. >> if the answer is yes, the n.s.a. was doing things wrong. the debate whether edward snowden is a hero or villain, to me it doesn't matter. what matters is is it information what he provided us with the truth, it seems like it is. edward snowden, hero or goat, now that we are having this debate as to whether what the n.s.a. did is right or wrong. >> i don't care whether he's a hero or a goat. i think the important thing is what he put out there, was what the n.s.a. doing legal, was it in conformity with the public's expectation. these are important questions that president obama said, nears are questions that we need to get out in the pope, and need to have a serious debate about. is he vindicated with time. >> he regards the section 215 scenario as vindication. not only has he seen two review panels say it didn't provide useful counter

the debate whether edward snowden is a hero or villain, to me it doesn't matter.what matters is is it information what he provided us with the truth, it seems like it is. edward snowden, hero or goat now that we are having this debate. whether what the n.s.a. did is right or wrong. >> i don't care whether he's a hero or a goat. important thing is what he put out there, was what the n.s.a. doing legal, was it in conformity with the government. these are important questions that president obama said nears are questions that we need to get out in the pope and need to have a serious debate about. is he vindicated with time. >> he regards the section 215 scenario as vindication. they came out and said this didn't provide useful counterterrorism. the d o.j. says the same thing. the court of appeal found the programme to be illegal, and it's about to expire or else be radically reformed. with respect to this programme, which is one very small part of the n.s.a.'s authorities and provisions, he seems to do well. >> faisal patel, the co-director. liberty and national secur

well, yesterday those brooklyn guys got their giant edward snowden head back. they got ticketed officially yesterday for what they did. their tickets were actually for being in the park when it was closed, which is illegal. but the bigger issue was their confiscated statue. the city had had their statue. yesterday finally a month after they put it up in ft. greene park, new york city gave them back their giant four-foot-tall bespectacled 100-pound metal edward snowden head. that's what happened yesterday. today edward snowden got something else from new york city. he got vindication of a kind. a federal appeals court that sits in new york, an appeals court, one level below the supreme court, second circuit court of appeals today ruled the nsa program that edward snowden leaked to the public because he thought it was illegal and people should, therefore, know about it, a federal appeals court ruled today that that program is in fact illegal. constitutionally they say that program cannot bear the weight the government asks us to assign to it. so does this mean th

spying and the patriot act, sparked by the disclosures of edward snowden. julian: how can you debate them? they're secret. similarly, what are the actual actions that are occurring not just in policy but what is actually happening. what are they actually doing? if you don't know, how can you possibly have a debate? amy: today wikileaks founder julian assange for the hour, all that and more coming up. amy: welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report, i'm amy goodman. a suicide attack by the self-proclaimed is tam i can state has reportedly killed dozens near the iraqi city of fallujah. the bombing hit an iraqi army convoy involved in the ongoing offensive to retake the capital of an barprove isil. at the white house, the brett secretary stood by comments from defense secretary ash carter that israeli forces will lack the will to fight. >> that certainly has been a problem that we've seen in the past. that's what allowed isil to make such significant gains last summer, and so what the united states and our coalition has been focused

emily: ball collection was exposed by edward snowden.tly interviewed cam.com, a man who was concerned himself with these programs. he's the founder of megaupload and the target of the biggest copyright case in history. i asked him what his message for president obama is. take a listen. kim.com: what is my message? it would be nice if he delivered the change, if he didn't spy on the world population. emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden? kim: he will be remembered in history as one of the great people of our time. >> what about julian assange? kim: what julian assange is doing is putting a spotlight on the secrets. emily: you tweeted you were going to be hillary's worst nightmare. how so russian mark >> it is probably more julian. i am aware of some of the things that are going to be roadblocks for her. if i can provide transparency with these people and make them part of what the internet party stands for, i will be happy to do that. emily: julian assange is going to be her worst nightmare? how so? kim: he has acces

juan: isn't this a major vindication by a federal appeals court of the actions of edward snowden? owden had not come forward this court case would not have even possibly reached this level. jameel: that is exactly right. we would not be having this debate without the snowden disclosures and we would not have been able to get the ruling. there were judicial decisions, even before the snowden disclosures, relating to the disclosures. -- the programs. it all happened behind closed doors. because of the snowden disclosures, we were able to have adversarial review of the programs for the first time. that is one of the things the court noted yesterday. they said that the ruling was based, in part, on the fact that there was adversarial review. amy: this is edward snowden in the first video interview he did with glenn greenwald at the "guardian." >> even if you are not doing anything wrong you are being watched and reported. the storage capability of the systems increases every year, consistently, by orders of magnitude, to where it is getting to the point that you don't have to have done

did we have any cases that were brought by these programs that edward snowden exposed?nd the conversation now is why are we spending all of this money on these programs. >> reporter: he is encouraged by efforts in the u.s. house to curb phone data collection. he hopes it's part of a national conversation about civil rights and national security. libby casey, al jazeera, washington. >>> the senate has a couple of options today. renew it as it extend it or consider the usa freedom act. it curtails the nsa's mass collection of phone data. >> i don't think the privacy community would say it's entirely satisfied with that. but we're talking about one provision, section 215, which is the provision that was used to gather every american's telephone records over a period of seven years with no evidence that it has been used to build any cases. so that's the main thing that people are arguing about today. but that's only a very small piece of the intelligence community's activities and a lot of people are concerned, including people like senator paul and widen, that actually usa

emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden? kim: he will be remembered in history as one of the great people of our time. i think he is a hero and i admire him for his courage. emily what about julian assange? what is your relationship with him yet ofhim? kim: what julian assange is doing is putting a spotlight on the secrets. emily: you tweeted you were going to be hillary's worst nightmare. how so? >> it is probably more julian. i am aware of some of the things that are going to be roadblocks for her. if i can provide transparency with these people and make them part of what the internet party stands for, i will be happy to do that. emily: julian assange is going to be her worst nightmare? how so? kim: he has access to information. emily: what information? kim: i don't know the specifics. emily: why hillary? kim: she is an adversary to internet freedom. and she sent your -- emily: he signed your extradition request. and you have a bone to pick with her. kim: i like hillary. i like obama. it is crazy all of this happened. emil

. >> the disclosures by edward snowden enabled a global controversy, a cultural conversation that remainsngoing in the face of a policy conversation that quite frankly has yet to even support. >> reporter: this supporter agrees on one thing that snowden was a game changer. >> you know, edward snowden, bless his little heart, did a big favor for our enemies by portraying our collection programs as much more sinister than they are. >> reporter: he maintains the act has made the country safer. >> it is certainly dangerous to roll back the government's abilities to conduct this type of surveillance far too restrictively. if we don't do these things we will suffer attacks. >> reporter: the civil rightest attorney says the government has a hard time proving its surveillance attacks have actually stopped attacks. >> do we have any cases that were brought by these programs that edward snowden exposed? and the conversation now is why are we spending all of this money on these programs. >> reporter: he is encouraged by efforts to curb phone data collection and have a public advocate in the foreign

in 2013, the extent of the surveillance was revealed when edward snowden leaked n.s.a.uments indicating the government was sweeping up records of nearly every phone call made in the u.s. the aslu sued claiming this violated americans right to privacy. the court did not rule on that constitutional issue, but said the programme is illegal because it goes beyond what congress intended. >> this is it pretty enormous ruling for the court to hold that a programme that the u.s. government was implementing for over a decade was unlawful, passed. >> under the surveillance program, the government collected the time, date and length of phone calls, but not the content. the government argued it could be relevant to future terrorism investigations. the court rejected that saying: . >> the ruling could have a broader impact. >> do you think there are other programs that the government may have to halt? do we know? >> we don't know for sure. it's been pretty strongly indicated by senator widen and others that the phone records welcome was not the only bulk collection programs. >> ther

this was revealed back in 2013 by edward snowden, and it created a fire storm of controversy at thatime. the aclu then sued claiming this program violated the privacy rights of americans. now the court today -- the appeals court didn't rule on the privacy question. instead what they said was this bulk collection of data simply wasn't allowed under this part of the patriot act, that it went beyond what congress intended. they did touch on the privacy question in one way. they said the bulk collection of this data,essen shally the entire population of the united states permits the development of a government database with the potential of invasion of privacy unimaginable in the past. the government was sweeping up what it called metadata. it was looking at things like the time date and length of these phone calls. and what the government argued was it needed this huge trove of data, because it wanted to go back during terrorist investigations and try to find connections between suspects. the corticaled that unprecedented and unwarranted. randall. >> so i know the decision is just out f

. >> senator, edward snowden is in large part the reason this case was brought to court. should this exonerate him at least in name? >> my view is that having a public debate on this has been long overdue and that's what i tried to start with my talk on the floor of the united states senate. i do think it would have been a lot better if that debate had been started by the intelligence leadership. in fact, the intelligence leadership didn't do it and when i asked them at a public hearing, the director, i said does the government collect any type of data at all on millions of americans? the director of national intelligence said no and that was false. >> do you think that james claper should step down?

the bulk collection of telephone met data first disclosed by former nsa contractor edward snowden. today's ruling which was unanimous, comes as congress debates to end, replace, or perhaps extend the meta data

federal appeals court saying it's illegal, how can anybody say that we would be better off if edward snowden had kept quiet and let us remain ignorant of the spying program that the federal court now said is illegal, it's classic whistle blowing.

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today for the first time, a high level federal court ruled that one of the programs disclosed by edward snowden2013 is illegal. the opinion for the unanimous three-judge panel, second circuit u.s. court of appeals, reads as a harsh criticism of the government's argument that a massive nsa program to collect in bulk the domestic phone records of millions of americans is lawful under section 215 of the patriot act. the judge wrote "we hold the text of section 215 cannot bear the weight the government asks us to assign to it, it does not authorize the telephone meta data program." section 215 is set to expire next month unless a bill is passed to reauthorize it. patrick leahy of vermont and mike lee of utah released a bipartisan statement that reads in part, "congress should not reauthorize bulk collection program that the court has found

but we only know about this program because of former nsa contractor, edward snowden. host: alexis, wilmington, north carolina. the morning. caller: good morning. i would like to say that when the page you first came out, i was opposed to it. i did not want the intrusion in my life like the last caller just said. as many of the callers -- they did not understand that you did not actually here the conversations -- hear the conversations. now that i understand that they are clearly -- especially with isis, there is so much that we do not know. as much as we would like to see transparency, we have adversaries that are lethal. guest: she raises a point about the islamic state. they might be doing some terrible things in the middle east, but they are not a bunch of dummies. they are likely not using their phones in a way to do easy tickets for the government. one of the things we have heard from supporters of the program and members of the intelligence committee is that the islamic state, al qaeda, and others have adjusted their behavior to avoid some of these programs that

the bulk collection of telephone met data first disclosed by former nsa contractor edward snowden. today's ruling which was unanimous, comes as congress debates to end, replace, or perhaps extend the meta data program. the program is set to expire on june 1st. following ruling senator majority leader mitch mcconnell defended the program and pushed for its reauthorization. >> according to the cia had these been in place, they would have likely likely have prevented 9/11. >> why in the world would we think about rolling back the tools that are the only tools that put us post- 9/11 versus pre- 9/11? >> one day, i hope i'm wrong but one day there will be an attack that's successful and the first question out of everyone's mouth is why didn't we know about it? and the answer better not be because this congress failed to authorize a program that might have helped us know about it. >> joining me now, oregon senator and member of the senate intelligence committee. senator ron wieden. thank you so much for joining us on a very big day. i know you've been involved in this issue for a long ti

. >>> and up next, senator rand paul what would he do about he had edward snowden?oes on the record next. plus tom brady has a statement. we'll hear what he has to say. why am i so awake? did you know your brain has a wake system... and a sleep system? science suggests when you have insomnia, the neurotransmitters in your wake system may be too strong, which may be preventing you from getting the sleep you need. talk to your doctor about ways to manage your insomnia. >>> presidential contender senator rand paul is here and today a federal appeals court in a 3-0 ruling held that the nsa collection program is illegal and not covered by the patriot act. senator, welcome to the show and your thoughts on this 3-zip ruling by the second circuit. >> this is a big deal. we've been waiting for this for over a year now. i sued the nsa last year because i think that the whole program really is not consistent with the fourth amendment and what we find out today is that the supreme court thinks it's not even consistent with the patriot act, which also goes on to mention that man

emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden. kim: i think he is a hero.ire his courage. he will be remembered in history as one of the great people of our time. emily: what is he up to? kim: he is happy, he is fine. he is in russia. i think he is pleased that the debate has been triggered based on the things he has done. especially to americans. emily: when it comes to china, iran, islamic terrorists, the u.s. government, what are you most worried about when it comes to spying, hacking? kim: i am worried about the situation in ukraine. i think putin is someone i would be very careful with. i think that obama has done a good thing in negotiating with iran, trying to find a resolution to the nuclear standoff. emily: what about other countries? north korea and sony? should we be concerned about north korea? kim: you do not really believe that north korea hit sony. -- hack to sony -- hacked sony. emily: who did that? kim: some sophisticated group that has an interest in what hollywood is doing. emily: you do not think it is a group with ties to north korea? k

emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden. emily: you were arrested for the first time when you were 18. you were convicted of insider trading. why should we trust you? many people think you are the world's biggest tyrant. a white-collar criminal. kim: i am an easy target. when i was a young man, i made some mistakes. but i never hurt anyone. i hacked into systems because i was an adventurer. i wanted to find out if aliens exist. i have grown. i am a family man. i have five kids. i am not a criminal. emily: what is this new business you are working on? kim: after the raid, i spent a lot of time thinking about the intrusion of privacy. in my case, they have used the nsa to spy on me. the prime minister of new zealand has apologized to me. i created a cloud storage website where people can be 100% sure their data is fully encrypted, that no government can access it. that we, as a service provider, cannot access private data. emily: you cannot see what is in the files? so the nsa could not get it. kim: they would get a lot of gar

so this ruling is incredibly significant, because it confirms what edward snowden and the whistleblowers have been saying and revealed that that twisted secret interpretation is not legal -- >> but it does not rule on constitutionality, which is what the aclu suit was saying. so couldn't congress in their process of reauthorizing the patriot act simply make it more explicit that that is legal? because the court did not say that it is unconstitutional to do so. >> i haven't been through the entire ruling yet, but i think what happened is courts usually do this is they do not reach questions that they reach until they absolutely have to. >> what would be the next step at this point? >> i understand the case was remanded to the lower court, and if the government's track record remains, it will try to work as hard as it possibly can to get any lawsuit dismissed. and they have been consist innocent their ability to keep review of these mass surveillance programs out of the court. and the aclu deserves a lot of credit for fighting against this. and that's what is significant, is that even thou

declarÓ ilegal el programa de recopilaciÓn de llamadas de la agencia de seguridad nacional fue edward snowdenÁ en washington con mÁs informaciÓn, quiere decir que este rastro masivo llegÓ a su fin, cuÉntosan? >> no marÍa celeste arrarÁs incluso el programa sigue en pie, la corte no ordenÓ suspender porque se vence este programa el mes que viene y serÍa el congreso de estados unidos quien tiene que dar nuevamente el visito bueno, este tema ya se estÁ debatiendo aquÍ. >> las llamadas de telÉfono de millones de estadounidenses han sido recopiladas durante aÑos, pero hoy la corte de apelaciones en new york dijo que el rastro masivo de datos de telÉfono es ilegal y que que el Ámbito que el congreso Últimos y skwo despuÉs de los ataques terroristas de 11 septiembre. >> es una victoria para los crÍtico del programa. >> la corte estÁ a firmando los derechos constitucionals de los norteamericanos estÁ diciendo que el telÉfono es propiedad privada. >> de la forma que funciona es que el gobierno captura de los datos de las llamadas que entran al paÍs quien llamÓ y cuando pero dicen que no estÁn escuchan