and julie massage and edward snowden provide a perfect demonstration of what has happened to this country. because that both of those individuals should be celebrated as heroes for disclosing the dark side secrets of the national security state. but because they disclose the dark side secrets, they are considered traitors, bad people. and so any president worth his salt would immediately issue a pardon, which any president has the power to do to both of those individuals on the 1st day in office. and, and i absolutely recommend to the justice department that all charges be dismissed . it is absolutely disgraceful. the way both of these heroic individuals have been treated. why the thing no one talks about guantanamo torture camp in, i'll get by b goober anymore. what no one mentions it in the us media. i don't know, maybe they don't want to face the reality of what's happened to this country. i mean, look, we started out as a country that opposed indefinite detention. that's what the right to speedy trial is all about in the bill of rights. the right to counsel the right to be free from c

. >> you take the reader inside the decision-making around worries like edward snowden, testimony againstgh, and coverage of movements. there was internal pressure from some journalists about how to cover those stories and what they could say on social media. >> there is a generational divide about how these jobs are viewed. what they should be permitted to do. social media did not exist when i grew up in journalism. journalists should speak for themselves. i still believe that. it should be powerful journalism. whatever repulsive thoughts they have. i stick by my position on that. i think journalism should speak for itself. >> during your time of the boston globe you were instrumental in the coverage of the catholic church abuse scandal. what were the key challenges that journalism faces? in this area when the pursuit of truth is cast as a partisan enterprise. >> people cannot agree on what is a fact. that is the biggest challenge we face. the financial pressures that we face in this industry. the transformation to the digital media environment. all of this is enormous. the fact that the

edward snowden worked for booze allen, now we find out resistance chases, leakily little john worked for louisiana allen, a notorious spy operation which would explain how this no named contractor was able to access the commander in chief's tax returns, and pass the "new york times" reporters and sway the election. and the washington post knew leaky little john was allose allen story guy but hid his pedigree. the post calling it a consulting firm. why not just call it a cia cutout? well, because we know the post is also a cia cutout. to leaky little john is holding the bag, no one else is charged and the biden administration has no interest in pursuing it. but we do. because the cia has to stop interfering in american elections. and go back interfering in everybody else's. john a former cia agent and whistleblower. so, the agency has their fingerprints all over this tax leak. >> they sure do. you know, the truth of the matter is, the cia couldn't run without booz allen hamilton. there are two levels of employees, one at the agency we called the butts in the seats people, low level pe

a lot -- does it matter if such material comes from somebody who presents a whistleblower, as edward snowden chaos creator, like agents acting on behalf of the russian government does, or that the material itself is of important public knowledge? >> those are all really good questions. that is something we have to grapple with. i don't know -- i don't see how we can ignore that information. our appetite for that information is going to be an incentive for people to hack in the first place. because we are going to publish it and jump on it and all that. we need to balance that with t -- with the motives. that's what we should have done. more of that in that particular presidential election. >> let's turn to donald trump. you're right, in preparation, i think it was after he was elected, before he took office, you set aside five dozen books to read, one about tyranny, a few others. what did you read? when did you take from your self assigned curriculum there? >> i took from that that trump had real authoritarian impulses. a lot of what he had said and a lot of what he had done suggested -- not

tara: so this submitted question is about edward snowden. after he fled to moscow in 2013 to avoid espionage charges, how did the nsa shakeup how it handles contractors, its own workforce regulations, what has changed since then to prevent another massive leak? tara: we take a holistic look at our security, whether a foreign adversary or whether not an insider threat. gen. nakasone: we had an opportunity to look very deep in hard in terms of how we secure networks and data over the past three or four years, and it has made a difference and i think that again, being resolved to ensure that what we operate with, the most sensitive information perhaps in our government is well secured and it is something we take very seriously. tara: so, the second to last question, this one is on quantum cryptography, so everyone in this audience knows about that, raise your hands are probably a lot of people in this audience, but the question is what is this and why is is intentionally a future threat for all of our data? gen. nakasone: so, quantum, the abili

geoff: in the book, you take the reader inside the decision-making around stories such as edward snowden'sns of government surveillance, christine blasey ford's testimony against brett kavanaugh, and the coverage of the black lives matter and metoo movements. and you note that, while there were these cultural and racial reckonings happening, there was also internal pressure from some journalists about how to cover those stories and what they could say on social media. you declared yourself weary of well-meaning, but moralistic young journalists. in what ways? marty: there is a bit of a generational divide between how journalists of my generation view our jobs and how a younger generation of journalists views what they should be permitted to do. social media didn't exist when i grew up in journalism. and our view was always that the journalism itself should speak for itself. and i still believe that. i believe that what we should be focusing on is the work, the journalism, and it should be powerful journalism. it should be rigorous. it should be thoroughly researched, totally fact-based. an

does it matter if such material comes from somebody who presents as a whistleblower, as edward snowden did, or somebody who presents as a chaos creator, as the, you know, agents acting on behalf of the russian government, does or does it matter most that the material itself is of important public knowledge? yeah, well, those are all really good questions, david. i think that's something we have to grapple with, as i said, i don't see how we can ignore the information i recognize that our appetite for that information is going to be an incentive for people to hack in the first place because they know that we're going to eat up and that we're going to publish it and we're going to jump on it and all of that. i do think that i say what i think we need to do is, really balance that with. our coverage of the motives for that information being released in the first place. and so think that's what we we should have done more of that in that particular presidential election. so let's turn to now there's a moment in the book where you write, in preparation for trump, i could be getting the timi

of friends, but they do -- there is evidence and we saw this from wikileaks, we saw this from edward snowdent the u.s. does conduct intelligence on israeli activities. it's very possible that the americans know things that the israelis don't know that they know, but right now this is a very chaotic situation, it's hard to know. i will just tell you speaking to government officials in general they will tell you more and more and more the open source intelligence, what you see on social media is often faster and it is often much clearer than the really expensive, really technical stuff gathered by satellites, gathered by signals intelligence. it is often what people film on their cell phones and put on the internet that can give you the clearest information if you know how to analyze it. guys? >> raf, i'm struck that 24 hours ago when we talked the country was being rocked by the first nationally televised hostage video and all of the families of hostages that i've interviewed extraordinarily held so much grief and space in their hearts for what has happened today, the potential that a conflic