it was created by a man called edwin sands, a member of the middle temple like your chief is and i amo have been impris imprisoned by the king. somehow or other he bamboozled the king into giving the charter to virginia in which the rights of the colonists in virginia were to be the same as any englishman. they included equality before the law, free speech and trial by jury. thus the first charter in the united states came to be called in effect only in english, magna carta. there were a lot of stories that can go on. what i'm driving at is that it's not a higher law issue at all. these are the rights that you have as a colonist. >> celebrating the 800th anniversary but thinking about magna carta and the future. we have mentioned it's a symbol. it symbolizes rule of law, popular sovereignty, limited government. i guess my question would be if you were to think about this as a symbol, which of those and any other ones that might stand for would you prefer magna carta to stand for for the next 800 years to lead us forward into the future. >> i have no doubt about my view. it's rule of o

magna carta and it was created by a man named edwin sands, who had been imprisoned by the king, but many other, he bamboozled the king into giving the rights to virginia. that the colonists would be like any other englishman, freedom of speech and trial by jury. and thus, the first charter in the united states future united states came to be called in effect, only in english, magna carta and there's a whole lot of stories about this that can go on, and what i'm driving at is it's not a higher law issue, it's that these are the rights that you have as a colonists and it was right that the colonists in 1776 were fighting to achieve for themselves because they weren't getting them. >> thank you. we'll have two more question areas, the first one is really talking about magna carta and it's symbol, while we're celebrating the 800th anniversary. thinking about magna carta and to the future. so like as we have mentioned quite a few times here, it's more of a symbol, it symbolizes rule of law, popular sovereignty, but if you were to think about this as a symbol, which ones or any other ones woul