the candidates set to face off in their third ask final debate before the eection.essman jason chaftz of utah and republican strategist ed rolns. thaaks for joining

melissa: taxes are a huge ise ashe eection inche closer but actlly it is not the top ccern for businesss. in a new survey small business ceos lay out their top three problems and they are health care at 62% the economy at 61% and access to capital, 46%. we have the ceo of the sbtv dot-com and a small business expert. ways really shocked to see that health care is bigger concern than the economy. >> yes it really is. actually, melissa for about the last 20 years health care has been creeping up as a ncern for small business and what we've seen small businesses health care has risen in cost they have had to either cut their hlth care for their employees, or, they have cut back on what the coverage can be. a lot of them opted for health savings accounts. melissa: right. >> they are paralyzed with fear about obamacare, particularly when they look at the fact no one can explain how this will get paid for. secondly they also recognize that costs areoioi to really skycket. and what is happening, for those employees who have under 50 employees right now, which is where you're mandated to provid

i think that this is, in fact -- and we may talk about this in a moment -- a values eection. i'm arguing for not bigger government but i think different government. president obama in the recent debate said in passing, you know, there are things that we do better together. i think we've lost sight as a society of the way in which a democratic government can organize our best instincts to actually produce things that benefit the entire society. we haven't worked that way for a long time. i think it's going to take a change in habit to begin to think of government as a place where we can put our best instincts to achieve shareed goals. >> brown: what interestse ough is i travel around the country doing political stories, seeing people. a lot of the energy and the anger about the system and the emotion out there -- it is there -- a lot of these days politically is on the right. that would be the tea party. now you're arguing that they have it all wrong in a sense. >> well, i think they have it all wrong for the right reasons. i think if you look at occupy wall street or the tea