and as the head of the eeoc? judge thomas: i thought the work was good. the problem was that -- and it was not a problem -- was, it it was not as good as some of the other members of the staff. senator hatch: while professor hill worked for you at the eeoc, did she ever seek a promotion? judge thomas: i believe she did seek promotions. again, most of that was done through the chief of staff at that time. senator hatch well, if so, to : what position? judge thomas: she may have sought a promotion. in 1983, my chief of staff left and i was going to promote someone to my executive assistant/chief of staff, which is the most senior person on my personal staff, and i think thatagain, i am relying on my memoryshe aspired to that memory, she -- memory, she aspired to that position and, of course, was not successful and i think was concerned about that. senator hatch: i see. when did professor hill leave the equal employment opportunity commission? judge thomas: in 1983. senator hatch: in 1983. why do you think she decid

you man biden: now, when went to eeoc, what were your eeoc? there at prof.well, my duties were really varied because it was a much larger organization, there so many more functions of the organization. my proirp duties were to be the office of the congressional affairs and the office of review and appeals. reviewed a number of the cases that came up on appeal o make certain that our office press sometimes for the chairman's office, through congressional affairs and public relations. i had some additional responsibilities as special projects came along. chairman biden: did you have as much occasion to interact at onally with judge thomas eeoc as you had with him at the education? of prof. hill: no, no. we were much busier. we were all much busier and the work that we did was work that did not necessarily require as much interaction. a lot of times, at the education ô some -- there were policy decisions that were to be made and we were trying to do an evaluation of the program, so there was more interaction at that time. at eeoc, there were just projects that

however, at the time that i went to the eeoc, there was as -- or prior to the time we went to the eeociod where the incidents had ceased, and so after some consideration of the job opportunities in the area, as well as the fact that i do was not assured that my job at education was going to be protected,x> i made a decision to move to the eeoc. >> were you not assured of that, because you were a political appointee, or were you not assured of it because -- tell me why you felt you weren't assured of that. >> well, there were two reasons, really. one, i was a special assistant of a political appointee, and, therefore, i assumed and i was told that that position may not continue to exist. i i didn't know who was going to be taking over the position. i had not been interviewed to become the special assistant of the new individual, so i assumed they would want to hire their own, as judge thomas had done. in addition, the department of education at that time was scheduled to be abolished. there had been a lot of talk about it, and at that time it was truly considered to be on its way outñ a

and as the head of the eeoc? judge thomas: i thought the work was good. the problem was that -- and it was not a problem -- was, it it was not as good as some of the other members of the staff. senator hatch: while professor hill worked for you at the eeoc, did she ever seek a promotion? judge thomas: i believe she did seek promotions. again, most of that was done through the chief of staff at that time. senator hatch well, if so, to : what position? judge thomas: she may have sought a promotion. in 1983, my chief of staff left and i was going to promote someone to my executive assistant/chief of staff, which is the most senior person on my personal staff, and i think thatagain, i am relying on my memoryshe aspired to that memory, she -- memory, she aspired to that position and, of course, was not successful and i think was concerned about that. senator hatch: i see. when did professor hill leave the equal employment opportunity commission? judge thomas: in 1983. senator hatch: in 1983. why do you think she decid

however, at the time that i went to the eeoc, there was as -- or prior to the time we went to the eeociod where the incidents had ceased, and so after some consideration of the job opportunities in the area, as well as the fact that i do was not assured that my job at education was going to be protected,x> i made a decision to move to the eeoc. >> were you not assured of that, because you were a political appointee, or were you not assured of it because -- tell me why you felt you weren't assured of that. >> well, there were two reasons, really. one, i was a special assistant of a political appointee, and, therefore, i assumed and i was told that that position may not continue to exist. i i didn't know who was going to be taking over the position. i had not been interviewed to become the special assistant of the new individual, so i assumed they would want to hire their own, as judge thomas had done. in addition, the department of education at that time was scheduled to be abolished. there had been a lot of talk about it, and at that time it was truly considered to be on its way outñ a

after my confirmation, she and diane holt then my secretary joined me at eeoc. i do not recall that there was any question or doubt that she would become a special assistant to me at e frn oc, all -- eeoc, although as a career employee, retained the option of remaining at the department of education. at e frn oc our -- eeoc, our contact was less frequent as a result of the increased size of my staff and increased responsibilities of day-to-day responsibilities. i seem to recall her having difficulty of adjusting to this role. in any case, our relationship remained cordial and professional. at no time did i become aware directly or indirectly that she felt i had said or done anything to change the cordial nature of our relationship. i detected nothing from her or from my staff or from gil hardy our mutual friend, with whom i maintained regular contact. i am certain that any statement or conduct on my part been brought to my attention, i would remember it clearly because of the nature and seriousness of such conduct as well as my adamant opposition to sex discrimi

start off with eeoc. clean that whole house. get rid of all the team -- too many directors and not enough investigators. [applause] because none of these managers or directors have nobody to be accountable because eeoc just gives you a letter, they don't find no findings and they just give you a letter saying, go right to sue letter. that is not resolving the issues. my name is darla brown. i was terminated my work in oakland, alameda county. i was terminated and a year later i was hired because a judge found there was no grounds to terminate me. but eeoc said they didn't find no findings. this is some of the problems right there. if the directors and managers have somebody be accountable, maybe a lot of these cases or a lot of these stories wouldn't be told like it's been told. thank you. [applause] >> thank you, ms. brown. >> thank you, supervisors, for allowing us to speak today. my name is alyssa jones-garner and mr. jyles has graciously ceded his time so i could speak today. [inhaling] i was hired as a 1404 clerk in the off

>> well, i recall specifically that the incident about the coke can occurred in his office at the eeoc. >> and what was that incident again? >> the incident with regard to the coke can that spelled out in my statement. >> would you describe it once again for me, please. >> the incident involved his going to his desk -- getting up from a work table, going to his desk, looking at this can and saying, "who put pubic hair on my coke?" >> was anyone else in his office at the time? >> no. >> was the door closed? >> i don't recall. >> are there any other incidents that occurred in his office, just in his office, period? >> there is -- i recall at least one instance in his office at the eeoc where he discussed some pornographic material, or he brought up the substance or the content of pornographic material. >> and again, it's difficult, but for the record, what substance did he bring up in this instance at eeoc in his office? what was the content of what he said? >> this was a reference to an individual who had a very large penis, and he used the name that he had been referred to in the porno

the eeoc has done great work. you have processes in place to debar government contractors who violate the law. we need political will. >> hopefully you encourage some today. >> it is obviously here. >> in the addendum to your testimony you mentioned that women of color often face unique obstacles in navigating legal systems. can you provide some examples of these obstacles and what policies would you recommend that we look at to address them? >> we talked about it some today with the intersection now the of discrimination. people of color, women of color, get hit hardest in all these different areas. we need to really focus on why that is the case, and ensure there is adequate attention for that. i know the eeoc has really focused on that. and certainly in industries which are sex segregated and racially segregated, you see the harassment much greater, and i think that we know it is there, it is well documented, and in terms of certain segments of the workforce, which is what the work you are doing is, it just req

a 2016 eeoc report revealed that up to 85% of women experienced workplace sexual harassment. other studies have shown that women who are sexually harassed are six times more likely to change jobs and nine times more likely to quit and three times more likely than men because of sexual harassment. this should be of grave concern as it leads to decreased employment opportunities and thereby decreased economic stability for women workers and their family and the statistics are more acute for women of color, low-wage workers and those that work in isolated environments. at futures we are honored to lead the only national resource center dedicated to the impacts of sexual harassment and gender-based violence on workers and the workplace. authorized by the violence against women's act and funded on the doj office of violence against women, the smallest of our program, the national workplace responses, helps employers, employees, federal agencies and stakeholders by providing tools, resources, training and education to prevent as well as improve responses to workplace sexual violenc

spoke with him on the phone multiple times after leaving the eeoc and said she didn't.ommendation and told by aides if she came forward thomas might withdraw his nomination without the process going forward when. thomas was confirmed, the vast majority of americans thought thomas was more believable than hill. thomas was confirmed by a democratic senate now hbo makes movies about hill's supposed bravery and chelsea handler says clarence thomas is a sexual abuser -- truth be told, thomas wasn't the first republican nominated prospective justice to be destroyed on the basis of false allegations. robert bork was labeled a racist and sexist without evidence by teddy kennedy and again, joe biden. kennedy said this. >> robert bork's america is a land which women would be forced in to back alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizen's doors in midnight rage and school children could not be taught about evolution. ben: slanderous allegations that took down robert bork. fast-forward to 2012. mitt romney holding a tight co

think clarence thomas should be sitting on the court right now for what he did when he was on the eeoc. that kind of got glossed over because the concentration on the anita hill controversy. and i would point out that he's sitting on the supreme court right now. justice scalia has been accused of violations of the judicial canons and some other justices have, too. but the judicial canons do not apply to the supreme court. >> all right. we got it, rob. kenny, columbus, ohio, hi, kenny. >> hi. i appreciate the time. i just want to point out, i think it's very fair to not just hold -- i think it's the right process to take to actually conduct an investigation before the hearing i think it's just like putting the horse before the cart. are you going to get anything out of it. it's going to be end up to be he said, she said. i'm not blaming any side. i'm saying they don't play partisan politics. republicans sew the false seed when they deny merrick garland. i'm an independent. what i care is let the process judge itself. let the process be the judge. if they don't allow due process and cut

, we make recommendations as doctor bollinger, excuse me, doctor mcgaughey pointed out to fund the eeoc so that can start moving forward. i'm encouraged and i hope you are as well in those new guidelines. there is a push in the movements towards a paper-based or hybrid paper-based model and that they into that gps fee. i share your comments on there are many states that are going to be resistant to that in the short term. however, i think organically over time this will start shifting and changing. because these systems are at the end of their life, they must be changed out and the systems coming online are moving backtoward the paper-based model . >> i don't have much more to add on the net, neil is on the ground experiencing but our report does make the point that as these states you mentioned and you have an investment, based in doe as they transition to equipment that they need to be moving to systems that can be independently verified using a paper record and the report is very clear about that. there's evidence that there's a possibility of moving that direction in fact and the re

before at the department of education and the eeoc. she was teaching at oral roberts university. nobody can be prepared for this intense smear campaign that can be unleashed. so i think our preparation for her was essentially to press her with questions that might be a little bit of a surprise for her and to see how she reacted. as we can see over the last 26 years, 27 years, she has held up quite well because she is a very centered person. i can only hope and wish that dr. ford has the same fortitude from her family and own experience and her life to be able to stand up to this. this is more than we should expect from any citizen who wants to contribute to what we know about a supreme court nominee. >> ron, there are no gop women on this committee. four democratic women. testimony while scheduled for thursday, so many minds made up. it will be difficult for either one, dr. ford or judge kavanaugh to really go beyond the testimony. both will forever be scarred by what transpires this week. >> i think it is correct that republicans have steered this in a way to maximize the possib

our emergency operations center, we have been coordinating all of our staff in the eeoc centers, we areinuing to stress that you need to evacuate. we do have some centers, some transportation, several areas that are low-lying. it is going to be hard to get folks out if they get stranded. rob: new bern is pretty much coastal. it is on a bit of an inlet but you are in the mandatory evacuation the. what do you expect your town, i'm curious about the outer banks, when will these look like after the storm moves through? they could be covered in water? >> we planned for all of these in the past week. a lot of resources available. we have crews coming in from missouri. we have reciprocity with communities that are not affected and expeditiously give lines backed up. we are very concerned about flood conditions. please don't make the mistake, get out of this. >> sometimes the power outages can last days if not weeks after storms like this. it is 19 after the hour. colin kaepernick kneeling in protest of the national anthem versus tim tebo kneeling in prayer. how is this close to the same thing?

unlike anita hill and clarence thomas, he was the head of the eeoc at the time and the head of the civil rights organization for the federal government. a professional capacity. he should obviously know better as a civil rights attorney not to do that sort of thing. that is different than a 17, 15, 36 years old where it came out in a matteral therapy session. still it is going to be important going forward for republicans not to be dismissive and for democrats not to throw everything in. if they are going to say this is an issue that needs to be address and they have the system. i'm curious to figure out what's going to happen. the pattern in the me too cases is multiple accusers came forward. the repeat here would be, remember joe biden sat on three other witnesses who could have bolstered anita hill's testimony and did not. perhaps feinstein does not want to make that mistake. >> more come think up on this important story. i will speak live with one of the u.s. senators who will decide kavanaugh's fate. if this levee fails, all bets are off. one official in north carolina where waters

she went to the eeoc. time-consuming and so expensive, it was difficult for her to afford an attorney. no attorney wanted to take this case, partly because the damages are so low, but ultimately, she prevailed. the remedy was that she was reinstated, which is important for her pension benefits. she wanted to be a firefighter. but we tried to explain to the community and use the case as a teaching moment that if you are the subject of work less harassment, you can prevail but there were so many roadblocks. the day she filed her discrimination suit, she was fired from her job. i'm not sure the whole legal structure in this day and age really works. i am also -- maybe you can talk about this. i think the penalty for retaliation is too low and i get your point on the damage caps. talk to us about the broader context. does this framework work in today's world? >> i could talk about this for hours and hours. you have asked the central question here. -- poses framework is to higher burden on people to prove sexua

but because he was chairman of the eeoc and she was a young lawyer working for him and have the smacking'se of power. this is about something that happened when they were teenagers. i just hope you don't use it to tear the country apart when what we are really fighting about is what happened in the last election and perhaps what will happen in the next one. david: how much more difficult is this issue because of who the president is? we have a president on tape saying things he would do with women that would not be acceptable in most places. he says i believe in this man. does that impose an amount of freight -- frake in people's minds? susan: i think the president's morning made people furious. of course she would have told her parents. just what we don't need in the middle of this, a president who has no understanding whatsoever about what it must be like to be a teenage girl in a bad situation giving his opinion on this. the more the president ways in, the more it will hurt judge kavanaugh. david: is really great to talk to you. think you so much. usc law professor susan estrich. tries

she worked at the eeoc, she was willing to testify that the use of porn. >> mark judge is a missing witness. he's someone that dr. ford named, how unusual is that for someone to name a friend of the accused assaulter as a witness. and he's turned in a piece of paper, it isn't even under oath, he's not being sworn, he's not being subpoenaed, this is a pitfall, it's unusual. >> very interesting, your point about what that would reveal about the lack of potential corroboration, but you and i have talked before, in the greatest sense of the compliment i consider you an old school journalist. >> i'm happy to hear that, the new school appears to be helping women's testimony and perspective in the fact that the internet has been a place where people can speak out. and even speak out anonymously, which is part of a first amendment right, the president said something today that i'll read to you that has gotten a lot of push back for women and men on the internet today. the lawyers want the fbi to get involved now, why didn't someone call the fbi 36 years ago, and i

eeoc says hayes has extensive work experience and was more than qualified for an entry-level job.has not issued a response to the lawsuit. >>> the divorce rate in the u.s. is going down and it's because of millennials. a study by a university of maryland professor found divorce dropped 18% between 2008 and 2016. >> he found millennials are less likely to get divorced. they are marrying later after finishing their education, establishing their careers, and also gaining financial stability. >> studies show fewer americans are gemae g inmmd.itierrted to together. >>> it is sa i big week for meghan mkle. made her first offl becoming the duchess marry of sussex. >> take a look here. pointthrd to see. tat meghan closed her own car door. this is the thing here. people on the internet started lose thrg minds. some praising her for being down to earth. others criticizing the guy who opened the door for not closing it. it just goes to show the royals can be like the rest of us how we close our own car doors. >> i don't know. >> i think it's more of a pain to wait for someone to closeor >> w

the eeoc, the employment opportunity commission says that they got 12,000 reports last year of victimizationthis. this is adolescents and alcohol and assault, but they think that 12,000 complaints -- 83% of which were women, and they think that's just the tip of the iceberg. there is a lot baked into this and raising awareness, all of these times up, me too have raised awareness of these issues, but there is a long way to go. >> there is a long way to go. the president of the united states tweeted this morning insulting all of the women and others, men even, who have been school district mighted by sexual assault and who have been afraid to come forward or who come forward years later. i have someone very close to me who was sexually molested as a child that didn't even recollect this until he was in therapy at 60 years old. there are study after study about this. longitudinal studies about why sexual assault victims do not feel they can come forward. 63% do not report sexual assault. the chief of police in houston responded to the president's tweet this morning saying unequivocally that sex

what happened was, after i reported this, after i filed an eeoc complaint, went to the h.r. manager's office and asked for a copy of the complaint/report, the h.r. officer went ballistic on me, and after that i was harassed every day. placed in a hostile work environment, retaliated against in my evaluation, and december 2015, my doctor took me off, i would have died there. my health had deteriorated, i went from taking no medications to six different medications. and i tried to go back to work only to be retraumatized by the city and county of san francisco, so now my doctor wrote the letter in june to retire me -- [microphone is silent] >> supervisor kim: thank you. thank you, miss bailey. we do have the letter from your attorney. and so thank you for bringing that as well as a response from the city. >> hi, supervisors. my name is skyler hudak, and proud to stand here with the men and women of seiu 1021, and thank you supervisors for convening this. i know you are doing it because you want to take over and find solutions. i want to talk about the solutions. as someone who

. >> reporter: the eeoc would not discuss the complaint, citing strict confidentiality rules. they said they would discuss it more if it becomes a lawsuit, saying that traditionally is a last resort. >> and, legal experts are telling you sometimes these gender specific ads can be beneficial. how so? >> well, there are times when there are jobs specifically for a gender, for instance, a lead male actor, or if you need a psa agent specifically to be checking female travelers, you would want a tsa female agent. there are times when gender plays a role but he says that is more rare and he does not see how facebook could continue with this wide sweeping -- across any or all job postings. >> maureen naylor, thank you. >>> such a sad story coming out of iowa. an internationally acclaimed college golfer found dead on the golf course. today, the homeless suspect was in custody. details on the evidence that led to his arrest. >>> a shocking murder rocked iowa state university and the entire golf world. >> a rising star was found stabbed to death on a golf course and now a homeless man h

to say that remember when anita hill testified she, a seasoned attorney, somebody who worked at the eeoc along with clarence thomas and department of education, still a law professor to this day, was dismissed as an erado maniac, she was called a little bit nutty, a little bit absoluslutt. the allegations that she is described happened around the same time within a decade of the confirmation hearing of clarence thomas as the allegations that are being waged against one brett kavanaugh. i think it's surprising to many people that we haven't quite come far enough to know that at the still 11th hour justice joe biden decided to not delay a vote knowing that he had knowledge about the allegations against clarence thomas before the confirmation hearings began. you have senator diane feinstein albeit for different reasons deciding as well to look in a different direction. now at the 11th hour trying to get dr. ford ready to fef perhaps and to address it in the long run. i think you have a lot of the same parallels happening here. the biggest distinction of course is that the conduct between th

we are in contact with the eeoc over in morehead city that is connected to fema and all the other assets that we will have. we'll have to wait and see what the aftermath is. >> harris, if you look at, you can see the water standing here and the wind just whipping it out. these were put in place, but we are right on the front line of this do in line. this dune line has been worked on for many decades as they try and preserve atlantic beach and they are worried about the size and scope of the storm surge. it's expected to hit at 11:41:00 p.m. high tide will hit here, they are saying that storm surge, 9 to 13 feet, will be not only above my head but above my cam's head and above the top of the pier house here. that is a real concern on atlantic beach. traffic has been stopped from coming on, but anyone can get off at any time. however, we are looking at winds just to give a little context. two years ago, it was hurricane matthew that came on here is a category one. this is a category 2, and they worried about more water. extreme flooding, extreme rainfall, and the fact that this took part h

she was working for him at the eeoc and the department of education. it was sexual harassment. she never alleged that he had touched her. in the case of brett kavanaugh and his accuser, christine blasey ford, she says that he pulled her into a bedroom, pinned her down, and sexually assaulted her. they were both teenagers at the time, much different than these adults. we also have the context of a very partisan process. he's within just, you know, 51 to 49 republicans control. there's very little margin of error here. back in 1991, in the end, clarence thomas was confirmed 52-48, with the help of 11 democrats. that's such a different atmosphere. >> and that was the closest it's ever been, right? that sort of vote margin. >> yes. >> closest, brooke, in a full century. >> yeah. yeah. and then, okay, so you walked through the differences. what about the similarities? >> well, here we have this, you know, it feels very late in the game, but it's because women had actually come forward, but their grievances hadn't been fully aired. the committee didn't know exactly how to handle them

we continue to cooperate with the eeoc and help them get their jobs done.ips or boats in the "cajun navy," is that number accurate and are more people volunteering? >> yes. i wish i could give you an absolute number. there are other people who come out and spontaneous. volunteers are hard to track. they are important component of civilian rescue. it's a force multiplier. allows us to be more effective. in our organization i can garrity we had over 500 sign up. charles: first-responders, fema others, mentioned you guys. are you communicating with them on constant basis? are you part of the process now? >> there's a fine line, where we want to work within the structure of incident command, we want to work with officials but we also have access to social media and things that may be outside of their base of none at least in an immediate sense, take things beyond what they know b it is our objective to let them know, so we don't duplicate effort and cross over each other. charles: shawn, we appreciate it. you guys have been remarkable. >> my pleasure. charles:

clarence thomas should be sitting on the supreme court right now for what he did when he was on the eeoc, but that kind of got glossed over because of the concentration on the anita hill controversy. and i would point out he's sitting on the supreme court right now, justice scalia has been accused of violations of the judicial cannons and some other justices have too. but the judicial cannons do not apply to the supreme court. host: all right. we got it, rod. kenny, columbus, ohio. hi, kenny. caller: hi. i really appreciate for giving me the time. what i want to point out, i think it's -- i think it's the right process to take to actually conduct an investigation. it's just like putting the cart before the horse. pulling the horse before the cart. not get anything out of it. it will end up to the he says, she says. i'm not blaming any side in saying they don't play partisan politics. republicans denied -- i'm an independent. i don't care about what they have to do but what i care is let the process judge itself. let the process be the judge. if you don't allow due process [indiscernible]