people the egyptian government the egyptian military need an awful lot of technical expertise and wherewithal to help build the type of liberal democratic institutions the rule of law a representative government that will allow them to have an enduring stable long lasting successful democracy well i don't know if a lot of egyptians would feel that way and i don't think a lot of people in the arab middle east would feel that way i'd like to quote something from the new york times about what was going on in washington the quote the white house in the state department were already discussing setting aside new funds to bolster the rise of secular political parties topeka if i can go to you i mean why doesn't the united states just maybe after thirty years leave egypt alone and i think that there's a lot of at that same attitude is echoed through the air middle east is. there when i say that i don't think on that one first i'll go back to you ok go ahead because ok what is the does this does the middle east need more intervention or does he need less intervention from the outside. no i mean i thin

generals egyptian officers train in the u.s. attend some of our military academies for at least the past two decades we're very close relations with them one reason this crisis didn't turn out badly and didn't become a bloodbath in all candor was because of those close relationships with it that we have with the u.s. military they're in control right now we need to work very closely with them to develop the sort of institutions and processes that will allow the egyptian people to move toward liberal democracy if i go to you in seattle here i mean we you know i am sure i am sure peter that if you. if you ask most egyptians they would say to john and to such and such discourses thanks but no thanks you have done enough damage for thirty years and even prior to one hundred of our being in power the u.s. has interfered all in the wrong way in egypt the their main focus was to prop up the elites in order for them to maintain egypt's neutrality in the arab israeli conflict they have succeeded in doing so they wanted to appease and ple

days, so many egyptians saying, we are the egyptian people, we are all egyptians, rich, poor, people in the middle, they've all been saying we are one egyptian people and it's remarkable because you will remember how the east germans came together to literally push over the berlin wall chanting at that time, we are the people, we are one people for that night and how empowering. so the comparison is apt. >> mr. obama referring to the whole world participating in this event. here in germany, analysts was pointing to the parallels to the developments in tunisia and egyptian and the collapse of communism. it is very historic but berlin has been taking a cautious approach in the past week in spite of all the east german comparisons. what was behind that cautious approach? >> i want to mention one point. it's a word. it's israel, it's the security of israel. she said today and said earlier, i rejoice with the people of egypt but angela merkel also said that theilitary leadership in egypt must do its part to uphold peace in the region. she said we expect the future egyptian government to c

discuss the future of israeli egyptian relations i'm joined by joel beynon in stanford he's a professor of middle east history at stanford university in washington we cross to use of moon air he is the executive director of the jerusalem fund for education and community development and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger or a gentleman crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i think go to a. statement made by netanyahu recently about the events playing out in egypt and this is what he has to say about the treaty that was the result of the camp david here we go he israel israel believes that the global community must demand that any egyptian government preserve the peace treaty with israel joel if i can go to you first i mean is that an unusual demand i mean here's a country israel demanding that a sovereign country and hopefully an elected government out to get through all of this violence. keep to a peace treaty that that is genuine generally not popular in egypt right now. it is an unusual demand but it's very much in line with th

we're going to washington in just a moment, but let me bring in an egyptian scala -- an egyptian scholar. people are now moving out of the square, saying they're going to march on the presidential palace. that is about 50 or 20 kilometers away. if they start moving in large numbers, will the army stand by? >> this is a watershed moment for the army. they have to decide which side they will take. it is very difficult. it is not the first time people around market gave him a distorted picture of what is going on in the country. what is going on, we don't really think [inaudible] the speech was written before the january world. they have no idea of what has taken place on the ground. i have so much worry about this city we are in and will happen. mubarak's regime has only a few hours to decide. is it mubarak or egypt. the next few hours, we will see something different if they do not accept the demands of the people. i think we are in for something ugly tomorrow. >> let's go to washington for a moment. that speech would have been listened to very carefully there. we are joined by our corres

i'm reminded of an egyptian joke and egyptians were funny before mubarak. after mubarak the humor left the land. it's that when mubarak became president he took a ride with his driver and he asked the driver, he said... he came to a cross roads and the driver said "mr. president, what do i do?" tell me which way to turn? and he said to the left. and after that he said always to the right. after that he said okay, don't move. don't move. this is the mubarak strategy, don't move. stiff anyone who comes to you with demands. and look at mubarak. he's been there through five american presidents, right? from the days of ronald reagan. and we've always talked about pushing him to reform. mubarak is a survivor and a wily man and he would hope that he could somehow ride out the storm. my guess is a variation on what neil said. the army now calls the shots. the system of hosni mubarak has fallen and if he stays, he stays at the good grace of the army. >> the idea that they say we're calling far dialogue on the opposition is almost a joke because they spent their enti

and co-opt the egyptian revolution or be do not interfere and allow the egyptians to build their future and build their present on on their own or a genuine require real quickly because i want to going to egypt or we go to break very disappointed that the obama administration was not more active in supporting them if you listen to the protesters on the ground there was deep seated discontent with the obama administration and the fact that obama had not voiced his support overtly and directly for the egyptian people and that's what. the united you surprised by one point five billion in trying to buy that they want to cut off billions in economic aid the answer would be no so it's really a red herring this question about whether the united states is involved we're involved that's a reality we have to deal with it the question is how do we shape that involvement so that we do i you know john to let you know solutions i do understand we have nobody is trying to undermine their leadership surgeons nobody is trying to undermine the leadership of the united states and the fact that they have t

only the egyptian people can do that.hat is clear and what i indicated tonight to president mubarak, it is my belief that a peaceful transition must be meaningful and it must begin now. furthermore, the process must include a broad spectrum of egyptian voices and opposition parties. it should lead to elections that are free and fair. and it should result in a government that is not only grounded in democratic principles, but is also responsive to the aspirations of the egyptian people. throughout this process, the united states will continue to expand the hand of partnership and friendship to egypt. we stand ready to provide any assistance that is necessary to help the egyptian people as they manage the aftermath of these protests. >> that was president obama. i spoke with steve kingston and i hinted that his statements did not go as far as to say as that president mubarak should step down. >> essentially, he got him to announce publicly that he will not seek reelection next year. but some here in washington are already w

. >> now we are egyptians. now we are egyptians. >> president mubarak has left cairo with his family for his egyptian seaside palace as the military takes over power. the u.s. president barack obama has called on the country's military to ensure a tradition -- transition to genuine democracy. >> a very warm welcome to bbc world news america and around the globe. in a dramatic turn of events, the egyptian president hosni mubarak has stepped down. the announcement came after 2.5 weeks of huge street protests in cairo and other cities. it was greeted with ecstatic jubilation. the power now rests with egypt's armed forces. >> welcome to the egyptian capital cairo, a country which exploded in celebration hours ago with the announcement that president hosni mubarak, president for the last 29 years, was resigning and that the army, the military council was not taking over. this may now be a military rule in egypt, but in the streets below, not just in cairo but in cities across this country, the people feel that the v

i'm egyptian. we are egyptians. now we are egyptians! i love my country! >> reporter: the celebration goes on into the night, because this is a moment no one wants to lose hope. >> it means a new era and i hope my daughter every daughter in egypt will live a life in freedom. >> reporter: there is not a word or emotion that we haven't experienced on the streets tonight. we've been all day here for people who have risked anything. people who risked everything in order to be here and tonight is only a night of celebration. >> couric: harry smith, thanks. elizabeth palmer has been covering these protests from the very beginning. liz, mubarak's departure was nothing short of stunning. >> reporter: katie, this has all happened with such blinding speed that it's left everybody-- both participants and observers, reeling. the end came in a terse 30- second statement from egypt's vice president. >> ( translated ): president mohammed hosni mubarak has decided to waive the office of the president of the republic. ( cheers and applause ) >> reporter: in tahrir square,

egyptian president hosni mubarak says he's fed up with being in power. for fear of chaos and a state many say his country's already huge crowds remain on the streets and violent clashes continue. meanwhile and investigate links between radical groups and the opposition in egypt as protests in the u.k. are used by an islamized organization in many other countries to promote its own cause. the president welcomes progress into the moscow airport attack investigation slams officials earlier announcing on the case. next in our washington studios the alone a show takes a look at the how the american media's coverage of the crisis in egypt and nearly a decade of war in afghanistan stay with us. for the. we've got. the biggest issues getting voice ceased to face with the news makers. welcome the ilona show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mercy or live out of washington d.c. now continuing our coverage on egypt discuss the latest updates on the riots which seem to be getting more violent but what about the way the mainstream media has been following

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plus news on the ancient egyptian treasures. plus news on the ancient egyptian treasures. what's been lost? captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> good evening. a new egypt born yesterday with the resignation of hosni mubarak took its first tentative steps forward today as cairo's tahrir square was transformed today from a center of revolt into a symbol of new beginnings. the military, egypt's current caretaker, reassured a jubilant population that its tenure would be a short one and that power would turn over to a free elected government. and some of egypt's neighbors got the reassurances they were looking for, too. once again, richard engel leads off our coverage from cairo. richard? >> reporter: good evening, lester. egyptians were celebrating last night, and they are still celebrating now. today the egyptian army said the egyptian people will achieve the democracy they demanded. egyptians awoke in what feels like a new nation. and they're immensely proud of it. >> what's important is what's happened to the egyptian people and how they've changed and how they

the egyptian president has resigned after two weeks of protests against his rule. powers had been taken over by the supreme council of the armed forces. it has promised not to stand in the way. >> welcome to a country which has erupted in celebration. hours ago egyptians heard the surprise announcement their president is now stepping down and the handing over power. it took 18 days of protest. tonight, it is beginning to write a new chapter in its history. the streets are packed with traffic. a palpable feeling of celebration. a new being born tonight. this is an historic moment not just for egypt but the entire region. our middle east editor reports. >> the announcement came suddenly and they were taken by surprise. the news only took a few seconds to sink in. people who had been leaving after demonstrating turned around and pushed their way back in. >> it was ruthless joy. >> egypt is a free country. we control the middle east and will never be beaten by anyone. [shouting] >> and several hundred thousand people were still in tahrir square. some immediately starte

the camp david here we go he israel israel believes that the global community must demand that any egyptian government preserve the peace treaty with israel joel if i can go to you first i mean is that an unusual demand i mean here's a country israel demanding that a sovereign country and hopefully an elected government out to get through all of this violence. keep to a peace treaty that that is genuine generally not popular in egypt right now. it is an unusual demand but it's very much in line with the kind of demands that israel routinely makes israel doesn't see itself as a country that has to live in the middle east with its neighbors on mutually acceptable terms on the other hand even though the peace treaty is unpopular in egypt i don't believe that any government that might be installed as a result of a genuine democratic transition would actually abrogate the treaty the treaty is unpopular in egypt not because of anything having to do with egypt's relations with israel but because when the outline of the treaty was negotiated at the camp david summit in one thousand nine hundred sev

tarion state like egypt has been but many egyptians. i would say look we fought several wars for the arabs and the palestinians we bankrupted the country we suffered a lot we of course support the palestinian cause we don't like the fact that our current government is working hand in glove with the united states and israel to suppress the aspirations of the palestinian people but we're not going to fight any more we will limit ourselves to political support now that political support if the government really allows it to express itself. will have an impact it will mean that there will be perhaps large demonstrations in front of the israeli embassy in cairo which the egyptian government has not permitted to happen it will mean even large demonstrations in downtown cairo whatever happens in egypt has a resonance throughout the arab world that's a little different than tunisia which is a much smaller country and marginal to arab politics so if there is a real change in egypt and if the foreign policy aspirations of the majority of egyptian

egyptian president hosni mubarak has finally caved into russia and the broader the country is stepping down after weeks of unrest across the country his resignation is being welcomed by western powers led by the blast which has been the regime approach for decades with a massive financial and political support. extradition hearing in the case so we can make founder julian assange has been adjourned for a fortnight in london is wanted by stockholm on sex offense charges to try the trial but which he says are politically motivated. boyle was swayed maybe just a short stall sonship leaks cables uncover an american the germs are behind the swedish one atop a new world that is mine alone washington to the press espionage charges on the whistleblower. staying without top story and hosni mubarak's resignation as a gyptian president is the topic of debate and peace about talk up next here on alt . hungry for the full story we've gone to. the biggest issues get a human voice ceased to face with the news maker. interview . below and welcome to cross talk i'm putumayo transition in the middle eas

egyptian president hosni mubarak has finally caved into pressure at home and abroad eventually stepping down after weeks of unrest across the country his resignation is being welcomed by western powers and led by you asked which has had the regime afloat for decades with massive financial and political support. makes additional hearing of the case so we can leaks founder julian assange which has been adjourned for the last night in london is wanted by stockholm and sex offenders charges which were earlier trial but which he says are politically motivated. how it was so weird maybe just a short stop leaks cables uncover and the american agenda behind the swedish wiretapping nor the minds allow washington to press espionage charges on the whistleblower. and staying with our top story and hosni mubarak's resignation as a typical president is the topic of debate and talk show up next here on our city. if you can. follow it welcome to cross talk i'm putumayo transition in the middle east with the resignation of the egyptian president is there now a path to real democracy what does the future

the egyptians have been in power. this is exactly what you hear in tahrir square, we have been in power. as a political scientist i don't like-- to be in politics. i don't like military to be the safeguard or watchdog for democracy. because if you do so, you writing riding a tiger. and the military is a tiger. it k any time, flip and turn over and devour you. and devour power. however people here will tell you, listen, we have defense of flee dom and we are capable of doing this again. if the military does not deliver on its promises we can take to the streets again. this is the celebration. so i see here the potential. as we said, as you said there is a educated youth. maybe it's not as competitive and trained as it should have been for a globalized world but this is an opportunity to train, to start streamlining the education system. to equip them with technical skills torque have a vision. to have a vision for a new democratic free egypt. that has all the potential as you said, the know how, the entrepreneurs. now

egyptian tv showed him swearing in his new government.e's ordered his vice president to open a dialogue with the opposition. that won't be enough for the people on the streets. back in the square they were bringing in more supplies. the protesters are turning themselves into a movement. they call for a million people to march through cairo. however this ends, it's going to change the middle east profoundly. people power is already making it politically embarrassing for western countries like britain and america to continue their alliances with authoritarian arab rulers. across the arab middle east, there are people watching all of this on tv and wondering if they can do the same thing. secular egyptians dominated the first few days here but now there's much more prayer and also great uncertainty about egypt's future. the muslim brotherhood is islamist, conservative, nonviolent, the best organized political movement outside the regime and would be an electoral force. as it got dark, the square was full of debate about what happens next. th

is our life from the russian capital with the twenty four hours a day top stories this hour the egyptian president hosni mubarak has seemingly pressure at home and abroad as he resigns following the brutal unrest seen over the past few weeks. with the leaks founder julian assange will have to await his extradition face it follows the latest hearing into whether he'll be sent to sweden where he's wanted sex crime charges. however sweden may be just a short stop for the cables on an american agenda behind a swedish want topic that might in washington to press charges on the whistleblower . resignation as a gyptian president is the topic of debate in cross talk program that's coming your way in a few moments here on. and you can. follow in welcome to cross talk i'm futile about transition in the middle east with the resignation of the egyptian president is there now a path to real democracy what does the future hold for this country and what about the specter of another islamic revolution. in egypt. to discuss events rapidly unfolding in egypt i'm joined by juan cole in new york he's a prof

to the egyptians because it goes into security matters and who and the egyptians are the first to suffer from it let's not forget that the crackdown that we've seen over the last few days. with police forces resorting to tear gas but also rubber bullets and live ammunition while all these weapons all the as you were provided by the american the americans. you know really hit the nail on the head there i mean americans are nervous to see a vicious dictator leave that's a pretty sad state of affairs because other dictators in the greater middle east are are are are are are of no are really no different in this matter they be i would even go as far as say strong opinion the u.s. is very comfortable with these kind of dictators because they're very pliant and now with the street on fire as it were. used we have at home and we're nervous about it americans are nervous about it that's pretty prophetic. i think it's a sad state of affairs because i mean the u.s. i think is skewed his foreign policy to slowly revolver the middle east are not solely but predominantly around the issue of israel i

egyptians are born again.chanting] >> most people in the square thought that the president was going and started their party. one rumor said that he was already on a flight out of the country. but some close to their mind to wishful thinking. >> i hope it is a big day. i am not leaving. tomorrow will be a hot today. >> the question is if transferring powers to the vice- president would be enough for the protesters and the army, and whether the crowds in this city and across egypt would allow mr. nevers to stay on as president in name only. -- mr. mubarak to stay on as president in name only. >> protestors have continued to voice their anger throughout the night. earlier, i spoke with one protester who was outside the state television center in cairo. he tells us why he feels even bigger protests are on the way. >> after the speech delivered by president mubarak. people were very upset. people believe there is a big gap between the speeches and the people's real demand. the real demand is for mubarak to step do

but egyptians are pious. i reset pupil of egyptians -- a recent poll of egyptians highlighted the fact that 85% of the population has a positive view of is long's influence on politics. only 22% had 8-8 v. -- only 2% had a negative view. they want as long engaged in the policy. however, 61% of the population are somewhat or very concerned about islamic extremism in egypt. they do not want the extreme form of islam. they want the pious form of islam. they want to feel that their religion is a constructive, not destructive. what about the impact on other arab cities? we saw the spark fly from tunisia to egypt. certainly, it will fly elsewhere. that is the concern. it is, to my view, somewhat exaggerated. the conditions are different in each of the countries involved. saudi arabia and the gulf states have all the resources necessary can take care of short-term shortages or concerns of the population. they can in some senses by their way out, but they are not unpopular to start with. no one is calling for the hea

egyptian president hosni mubarak has finally caved into pressure at home and abroad differentially stepping down after weeks of unrest across the country his race and nation is being welcomed by western powers led by the us that the regime afloat for decades with massive financial and political support. wiki leaks founder julian assange will have to await his extradition fate. of the latest hearing into whether he'll be sent to sweden where he's wanted on sex charges. with a swede maybe just a short stop for a song the cables uncover an american agenda behind a swedish wiretapping law that might allow washington to press charges on the whistleblower. well the news continues in less than thirty minutes from now with my colleague of another but stay with our top story now hosni mubarak's resignation egyptian president it's the topic of debate cross talk show next on r.t. stay with us. and you can. still. below it welcome to cross talk i'm putumayo transition in the middle east with the resignation of the egyptian president is there now a path to real democracy what does the future hold for th

and this is a diversion it's a diversion let's talk about the egyptian revolution that was. an attack the terrorist you can't blockade civilians it's not allowed to have starved children if you have a problem with terrorism is really is are not storming the news there is already everybody i'm just seeing a. game right now it's like well that i didn't jump in right now and i have a question very suse's administer i have a session for you is it going to put me and people die john israel no this is not the jews you know this is easy gentlemen we have to move on we're wasting too much time please susan i'd like to go to you on a good note here look at al qaeda people and therefore i think and therefore let me finish and their friends they must be so red faced right now but it must be so angry that the people could make political change their terrorism doesn't work but people's power can work not dictators supported by washington not bought. asked by washington but people arab people mostly people pulled off an amazing event. in the whole thesis of al qaida it's been shown to be

still go to war egyptians are not. already going to have this in the panel i'm going to have to jump in here well see how events develop in egypt and in the region many thanks to my guest today in washington london and in dubai and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk. and you can. still. in india. i'm going to join. the gateway to the grand imperial. torch which. renders the colonel was such a treat. drama unfolding on the streets of cairo as pro and anti mubarak demonstrators cast join me paulus here in a few moments for live updates. russia calls the deportation of his diplomats for moral and was allegedly connected to spy scandal on. the us mainstream media has found a new opportunity to demonize iran a book suicide bombers found in the arizona desert reported as an omen for a domestic attack. and in our business program ross now shares are trading down on the day after london's high court halted the deal between b.p. and the russian oil giant i'll have more on t

>> this is an egyptian problem. it is not an american problem. i don't think that the egyptians in this particular case is looking at the american government to come here and help them in tahrir square. i think what america can do is to maintain a consistent policy of saying we are friends, would like to be friends of egypt, and we would like to support liberty in egypt. >> warner: do you hear that consistent policy? >> the liberty issue, i do hear it. the key thing here really is not to interfere too much. >> warner: as you know, the big concern in many quarters in the united states is that if egypt has a fully open system that the muslim brotherhood, an islamist group will, in fact, gain all kinds of power here. what do you say to that? >> there is too much exaggeration about the issue of the muslim brotherhood. i think in a democracy, in a true democracy where they can speak and they are not underground and they are not fighting, the egyptian people will either accept them or not accept them. if they are really in a country that follows the ru

egyptians are not buying this. what is more worrying is that the mubarak thugs then entered some citizens, alexandria and cairo to find with the anti-mubarak protestors. mubarak must be held responsible for what happens going forward. >> brown: michelle dunn we talk a lot about how organized is the opposition here. when the president speaks, president mubarak tonight, who speaks back to him? who do we expect to hear from and how organized is that message? >> there are different kinds of opposition in egypt. there are some legal political parties. some of them are rather discredited by having worked with the egyptian regime over the years. there are some big opposition movements, and they've tried to form a kind of a committee here. mohammed el baradei is somewhat of a spokesman for them to... in order to react in an organized way and to offer the egyptian government someone with whom to negotiate. they say they want to negotiate with the military after mubarak leaves. >> brown: do you see el baradei as having the c

they passed by the egyptian museum in the thousands. the army gave them a wide berth, even though it was clear what would happen. the mood was tense. #>> we are the stability of the country. as you see, people are supporting president mubarak. he is the leader, and he is the symbol of egypt. >> we will be humiliated. do not leave us. do not leave us. >> that was the sentiment among the pro mubarak demonstrators. the anti-government demonstrators were determined not to give an inch. they had come well prepared. some more on horses or camels, armed with metal rods. pass in the museum, they bore down on the square. the demonstrators put up a fight. after a week of peaceful protests, chaos broke out in liberation square. street battles ensued. in the middle was the army, but they did not intervene. they just stayed, guarding the museum. the demonstrators managed t t push back the probe will bark mob, but neither -- to push back the pro mubarak mob. nearby, mosques or hastily converted into a field hospitals to treat the wounded from both si

she is the egyptian. both of her parents are egyptian. they live here now. but she has a lot of family in cairo. she can tell us exactly what is happening over there. not from the sense of a demonstrator, but from folks who live there. dr. jon alterman is the director of middle east programs. prior to that, he was with the u.s. department of state as a special assistant for near eastern affairs. he was a member of the naval operations executive panel. before that, he was an academic. he taught at johns hopkins. he was a scholar at the u.s. institute of peace and the washington institute for near east policy. we have some folks here who have a pretty good experience --who have pretty good experience on what they came here to talk about. i want to ask a general question of all three of you. dr. foukara, is this a revolt or is it a revolution? >> oh, boy? i am going to relax and think. [laughter] i think it is a revolution to the extent that it may succeed. if it does succeed and it passes off peacefully and leads to a good outcome for egypt and for the arab re

there are now predictions tomorrow's protest will be the largest in egyptian history. it is a fluid and highly confusing situation tonight, volatile in fact. we begin in cairo, once again with our chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. so, richard, how is it? again, this news organization, others, the white house, people in america, people in egypt and around the world thought this day would end with mubarak's departure and it didn't. >> reporter: sources, brian, close to president mubarak tell us this was simply not the plan or their understanding, but that over the course of the day, president mubarak grew more stubborn and changed his intention to step down. the day began with expectations. protesters gathered in tahrir square, mostly planning a major demonstration and a series of work stoppages on friday. but by late morning, word came that president mubarak would finally meet the protesters' demands and resign. the egyptian military made a surprise announcement, signaling that it was throwing its loyalty behind the demonstrators. [ speaking in foreign languag

as an egyptian, it is my duty to be here, he says. every egyptian should feel that here we regain our rights. you can see a new civic pride, a sense of taking ownership. and they are feeling safe and up here now to bring the children down. that was not the case yesterday. perhaps prematurely, they gather round as though the departure of president mubarak was a done deal. egyptian tv showed him swearing in the new government. he has spoken -- he has ordered his vice-president to open dialogue. back on the square, they were bringing in more supplies. tomorrow, they will call for 1 million people to march through cairo. however this ins, it will change the middle east for family. people power is already making it politically embarrassing for western countries like britain and america to continue their alliances with authoritarian arab rulers. and there are people watching all of this on tv and wondering if they can do the same thing. secular egyptians dominated the first few days here, but now there is much more prayer. there's also a gr