follow in welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle five months on what is the condition of the egyptian revolution as it lived up to expectations what does people's power mean there today and could the revolution be hijacked during the coming elections. came. across not what's going on in egypt now i'm joined by rula jebreal in rome she's a journalist and author of mira in london we go to now elsa dowie she's a writer and political activist and often referred to as the mother of the revolution and in zurich we crossed the lower end zone but dino he's an academic and security expert who specializes in islam and political violence in europe and north america all right folks this is cross talk that means you can jump any time you want i very much encourage it through i'd like to go to you first in rome what is the condition of the revolution now is it lived up to expectations is it going in the right direction. what it's really thought are used to say that it lived up to expectations because if the first expectation was that mubarak stepped down yes he is here in trial today yes he hears b

"egyptian forces are owned by the egyptian people. we are ready to play any role, anything in that institution. >> i will interpret that as a yes. >> i understand. it is the business of becoming government and the coming elected president and become an elected parliament and becoming constitution. it is not the business of the armed forces. >> another area in which we have received a lot of questions and concerns the orientation of the staff toward the protesters themselves. there have been demands expressed within egypt to hold the staff itself accountable for violence during the uprising, especially on january 28. will the staff support a process for bringing the perpetrators of violence against protesters to account for their behavior? >> we did not used -- please repeat the question. >> there is a perception among observers of egypt's uprising that violence directly toward protesters was sanctioned. this is an opportunity to correct that perception. if that is right, will be senior military leadership support efforts to hold those

egypt so you know we have to be very very aware and i have really proud now that the egyptian people to me on the people who went to the streets to the squished age twenty five january and of course we got three of mubarak. but the body of betty jean is still there they are in the military and the government in the media in your universe you know what i did and who am i going to learn and so on that point here i mean it's still the mubarak regime it just without its head and this is wally one of the reasons why i wanted to do this program here is because we can we actually even use the term revolution yet because the the the the corpus of that regime is still very active the military has amazing privileges controls huge swaths of the economy i mean in many many ways it's news been no revolution whatsoever and say to some degree we do still have a continuation of the past i think what is very surprising you know ways that the military yes of course is trying to maintain its power its economic power its hold on egypt there's no question about it but one of the forces that paradoxically

on certain things and that is problematic bad i think speaks in a way the defragmentation of the egyptian political class and the fact that the brotherhood is the only group despite its own problems its own from internal fragmentation but has been able to create sort of a bloc and the other groups have not been able to do so ok rule i think it's very interesting you say liberals are afraid of the people said differently because they know what they do in the muslim brotherhood is out there and i wanted to talk about that later in the program but we can talk about it now they're very well organized and they're getting prepared for the like it's got a real rough first time going i had. yeah yeahs they are very well organized they've been working since so many years let's remember one fact not this election not the parliament the last election the one before. muslim brotherhood barak brothers they want eighty seats in the parliament eighty out of three hundred something seats eight they want eighty seats in a country that we know that the election where a total of three but the regime had to

why don't i only say that i should what no what i would like to say that the egyptian revolution the lane try to resign and not in an ideological way where trying i mean it's right that they're not saying rather it just listen to me because i think on the right of the prime i'd like to hear i mean we're not talking out of ideology we should praise and as we know that the future of egypt i think all power are not united nations i think you and should you really start talking with a muslim brother and have some leverage on top of them the more excluded they are something the more it was a goal that was like three days but the loner they are included don't move or they won't show the right i'm going to jump in here and we're going to war ends all around zone. yes this is the end of my life you can see before we had a very dogmatic point of view in politics i do think there's a lot more pragmatism now going on in egyptian politics i mean irrespective of its secular religious. people is on the run and also when it comes to the brotherhood as much as you remain such a strong ideological or

the egyptian forces are owned by the egyptian people. we are ready to play any role, anything in that institution. >> i will interpret that as a yes. [unintelligible] >> i understand. it is the business of becoming government and the coming elected president and become an elected parliament and becoming constitution. it is not the business of the armed forces. >> another area in which we have received a lot of questions and concerns the orientation of the staff toward the protesters -- scaf toward the protesters themselves. there have been demands expressed within egypt to hold the staff itself accountable for -- hold scaf itself accountable for violence during the uprising, especially on january 28. will the staff support a process -- will scaf support process for bringing the perpetrators of violence against protesters to account for their behavior? >> we did not used -- please repeat the question. >> there is a perception among observers of egypt's uprising that violence directly toward protesters was sanctioned. this is an opportunit

egyptian troops for pouring into cairo to defend the capitol, and anglo-french had destroyed the egyptianir force on the ground. eisenhower's political opponents continued to fiercely attacked his policies. eleanor roosevelt accused the administration of favoring the arabs over israel and asserted that britain and france had been brought to the point of desperation by american policy. it leaves us in a very strange position, she says, supporting the kremlin and an egyptian dictator against our oldest and strongest allies. six of the eight democratic members of the senate foreign relations committee publicly agreed with stevenson and roosevelt that the president's middle east policies had failed. eisenhower, they declared, had presided over four years of indecision, tactless nests, to mitty, and blundered. that night, november 3rd, stevenson asserted the president's age, health, and the fact that he cannot succeed himself make it inevitable that the dominant figure in the republican party under a second eisenhower term would be richard nixon. stevenson asked the crowd, do you want to place

and to most egyptians - that's the greatest start the country could have. >>reporter: and next week we'll have a more in depth look at the impact of the revolution on tourismin egypt. as large industry and manufacturers from around the world search for ways to reduce their carbon footprints, global industrial giants are looking for greener and readily available sources of energy. and hydroelectric power is proving a serious draw. >>reporter: the last few years have seen unprecedented growth in the use of hydropower...from smelting metals to internet data centres. >>taylor: companies are getting more scrutinized about their whole chain of activities and if you can bring in a cleaner renewable energy to carry out your activities it is only going to build in terms of responsibility and perceptions around that company. organizations are relocating their activities to be able to enjoy the benefits of hydropower and they include apple, google, microsoft, and, bmw has recently relocated its factories in north america to enjoy hydropower as a source for its manufac

egypt felt it was nationally located because it was in egyptian territory. to ike it would whether the egyptian would also keep the canal open and operate effectively. he and dulles kept the british talking instead of fighting. still shell shocked from world war ii you have to remember from this context it was only 11 years after world war ii. still shell shocked. the british and french made nasr into another hitler. and until late september 1956, eisenhower's allies gave up on him and any support for taking out nasr and they implemented a program for it. the cia did not force nasr's nationalization in the canal and completely missed the plotting among the british, french and israelis. now, for the plot. on wednesday, october 24th, 1956, in a villa outside of paris. the french foreign minister, prime minister of israel and patrick dean the deputy undersecretary of state for great britain had a secret protocol providing that israeli troops would invade the sinai peninsula on october 29th. this was the plan. once the israelis advanced towards the suez canal zo

one in 10 egyptians is a coptic christian. religious tensions are not deny it -- entirely new, but they have resurfaced following mubarak's fall. four months ago, he was attacked by thugs who slashed his face, broke his ribs, and stabbed him all over. he says it was punishment for being christian. the money the the police nor the army have arrested the people did this to me. the failure to find the culprits for the start of violence threatens to hurt relations. the moslem brotherhood was condemned of violence, this column for the elections, it will have to show it is willing to protect egypt's christian minority. >> george reporting there. for more on egypt, i'm joined from new york. thank you for joining us. you were memorably so optimistic when all this began in egypt. what is your assessment of the situation now. >> i remain optimistic because the resolution has been my dream and the dream of so many egyptians for all our lives. i remain optimistic, but i understand there's a lot of work to do, and it has only been a little

in the egyptian government becomes a power that is much more representative of the wishes of the egyptianll have a much more critical position to israel. that is the concern in host: tel aviv our guest is samer shehata georgetown university assistant professor of arab studies. let's get some more calls. thank you for waiting for you are on the republican line. caller: please give me a second here. host: sure. caller: i actually like mubarak a lot. he was great for the united states. i even like gaddafi right now. i do not think obama has the right to tell anybody you have got to go. we had stability with mubarak. and our own country, if we were getting into a violent protest, our government would ship them and arrest them. look at waco, texas. we rolled over their houses with tanks because it would not come out. the government will try to protect what they had and that is what mubarak did. the protest and the rebels started it, not the dictators. guest: joe is thoroughly mistaken. mr. mubarak came to power in 1981 and ruled for 30 years in elections that were regularly brought a lead thro

egyptian state television is reporting that ousted egyptian president hosni mubarak has lapsed into as comes after months of ill health. egyptian state-run television quotes mubarak's attorney as saying the former president is in a full coma after his health suddenly deteriorated. >>> a top executive in the rupert murdoch media empire was arrested in london today. rebekah brooks was once the editor of murdoch's london-based tabloid "news of the world." she was taken into custody in connection with a phone hacking and police bribery scandal. >>> and casey anthony in this country is out of jail and out of sight. she walked out of the front door minutes after midnight at the jail in orlando there. her lawyer beside her, because of safety concerns. no one is saying where she is now or where she may go next. >>> join me for nor news rat at top of the hour. >>> this week, the american administration confronts a middle east where events are heating up once again. throngs of protesters continued to occupy tahrir square in cairo and disrupt the political life of egypt. across the mediterranean

we visited the egyptian museum. she pointed out very specifically that none of the guide, the curators and the professional staff in the museum were of coptic origin. this was a deep -- she was deeply disturbed by this because to her it indicated the very custodians of the heritage that wasn't factors, that she could claim, they traced the history back thousands of years in egypt that they were cut off from being the custodians of their own heritage. and, therefore, it was an affront to her that you're not allowed to represent some of the history of the country. >> that's her interesting this notion of being there so long, it's their history but how does that play out in the relation between egyptians and copts. is a between muslim egyptians and copts? is this something that occurs in the rhetoric that is directed against copts in any way? does it complicate the rhetoric or relationship? >> i would defer to mr. maher. >> i think, when i was a child at school, we never been taught about the coptic history. i learned

the number of egyptians in tahrir square who said to meet, i was ashamed to show my egyptian passport. imagine being ashamed to show your american passport. second, it was about justice. these people live in the unjust society. that is why the first thing they did was burned down the party headquarters and the police stations. the last thing it was about was freedom. it was not just freedom in the governmental sense, but to run my life, think my thoughts, and collaborate with whoever i want. take all of those three and put them together with one more thing. people forget about the kids who lost their lives when the regime came back. 800 more egyptians that have died in the egyptian army since 1973. one thing that was striking when you went around the square, because i got there the week after that, is that there were small pictures everywhere of the people who died. then there were walls sized pictures of the people who died. they are all labeled in arabic "martyr." martyrs for democracy, i have never seen that before. you take a movement propelled by dignity and freedom, and you put

well the egyptian revolution the mainstream media likes the term the egyptian. revolution which is really just the removal of hosni mubarak from power that was really the first step that was not a revolution in itself because after mubarak was gone you still have the same system in place it's still a proxy state of the u.s. is still a puppet state so the egyptian masses are demanding more they're not willing to settle for nothing they don't see the bloodshed you know that happened in february is the end they understand that the entire system has to go in perhaps their legs organization and that's what's really needed on the ground you know i don't i don't think that i don't think the violence on the half of the oppressed people fighting for their liberation is a bad thing i think that you know first of all the most violent people involved in this process were the egyptian government you know their force of repression you know sort of people who have the right to use whatever means necessary to get their freedom and we would like of course for peaceful solution y

i was left feeling that the ordinary egyptians were losing patience. change will come slowly. >> i hope that all of the public will -- >> you hope it will get better? the burned out shell of the former party headquarters towers over tahrir square. the old and new order, the battle between them is still not over. >> for more on that battle for the future, i'm joined by the world editor of "time magazine." thank you for joining us tonight. tell me, as the arabs bring live up to its promise -- has the arab spring lived up to the promise? >> people are trying to be patient. they want to have free and fair elections and the opportunity to choose their own leadership. this is taking a long time. there is a burden on the economy. you can see frustrations' boiling over every friday in tahrir square when people are processing about one thing or the other. you can have tens of thousands of people in one square and they are protesting what they are not all protesting about the same thing. they have very different grievances. the actual election, there are no date

, 850 egyptians were killed at the hands of the security forces.ry important distinction. so the families of those 850 people want justice. and it's in the nature of revolutions that they always want to go back to their moment and their place of innocence. and the place and the moment of innocence were these magical 18 days in liberation square where the egyptians claimed the history and drove pharoah out of power. and now there's an account, if you will, between the army which backed the people and didn't kill them as the civilian army is killing its own people, and the population which wants speedier change, faster change. one protestor said he wanted freedom, social justice, and bread. now, these are very, very big demands. and i think that's what we're really looking at in egypt today. >> kala, the elections have now been pushed back in egypt. they were supposed to be in september, now they've been pushed back to october-november. they were already had been scheduled earlier than many people had wanted other than the moslem brotherhood, other g

>> certainly in the egyptian revolution you would hear dignity was a huge word, social justice, freedom. but i think what it is that they want is some sort of sense that they are active participants in creating a better life for themselves. they no longer prepared to be passive. that's what we saw, we see in these revolutions. is action on their part. i think to me i look at this whole thing, they don't like the term facebook revolution. they find facebook as a western technology. they said, look, they use the

the number of egyptians in tahrir square who said to meet, i was ashamed to show my egyptian passport. imagine being ashamed to show your american passport. second, it was about justice. these people live in the unjust society. that is why the first thing they did was burned down the party headquarters and the police stations. the last thing it was about was freedom. it was not just freedom in the governmental sense, but to run my life, think my thoughts, and collaborate with whoever i want. take all of those three and put them together with one more thing. people forget about the kids who lost their lives when the regime came back. 800 more egyptians that have died in the egyptian army since 1973. one thing that was striking when you went around the square, because i got there the week after that, is that there were small pictures everywhere of the people who died. then there were walls sized pictures of the people who died. they are all labeled in arabic "martyr." martyrs for democracy, i have never seen that before. what happens in egypt does not stay in egypt. then you have a move

we make the following recommendations for the egyptian government, u.s.ternational community. we support them strongly urge the passage of h.r. 440 and if 1245, which provides for the envoy for minorities in the middle east. we also strongly urge the administration to appoint someone to that position who is highly qualified and unfit stature needed to ensure the issues related to minorities are included in the highest level of the u.s. government, particularly during historic transition in egypt. we also call for the prosecution of the perpetrator of these kinds. until these people are brought to justice, egypt will never see justice for unity. these people need to be held accountable and the message that you cannot burn a church in public another party afterwards is not accept the vote. that message needs to be sent to the people at egypt and to the international community. also come away a u.s. government government and international community to press international government to ensure its commitment to human rights norms are at palette in this conditi

it was interesting because normally egyptians don't listen the president speak. i mean they just don't think anything new will come out of it. they have lost any sense of interest. and this was a moment where i felt like they believed they had a stake in what was going to happen. and they had a role to play determining their fate n a way. >> rose: here you have peaceful, powerful, democratic force that people can believe in. >> yes. >> rose: who believe in change and sometimes thought the only place they could find change out of desperation wasomewhere else. >> an image that is totally different from the stereotype of islamist of themselve. >> rose: exactly n the streets too. >> exactly. >> rose: ? joining forces. >> they feel now that for they are distinguishing themselves from talking about terrorist cells or whatever, and then islamist is saying yes, i'm islam. so yesterday i heard on the egyptian government tv one of those people -- the relinl us guy, islamist was saying to the reporter, i came here today following a christian girl shouting and leadin me in t

this is an indictment of the egyptian government and a practice that's gone on for far too long. as you pointed out in the report as far back as 1976 poke chanute at the third set and i quote, there is pressure being cracked this to prevent islam and married them under terror to muslim husband. it would appear the situation has dramatically worsened based on your testimony and testimonies of other witnesses. and now, as you know, each it is the tier two country. frankly, it suggests they are taking actions to combat human trafficking. that report just came out in based on the evidence they've read the testimonies of a witness to, i will initiate an effort to get the ambassador at large to follow up at a hearing before the commission the ambassador at large for human trafficking. i know the full capabilities of that office and that individual who is a competent man to be elected each because they deserve to be a tier three country that needs to be put on that list. we wrote the lot that is not just done annually. anytime information warrants that, the country can be either elevate

a stolen revolution angry egyptians returned to the streets across the country to protest against the interim government's failure to bring about change. and the last a front page of the news of the world as a phone hacking scandal claims the u.k.'s best selling tabloid. and broadcasting alive direct from russia's capital moscow this is r.t. glad to have you with us now breaking news tragedy in central russia as more than one hundred people who were on a river cruise are feared to have drowned their boat sank on the river volga in charter started with nearly two hundred people on board including many children some of those who were rescued and taken to a nearby ship have reached goes on clearly distressed of their ordeal jacob greaves is following developments for r.c. . now jacob if you would mind filling us in what are the chances of finding people alive at this point. all sense of urgency growing for the rescue operation as time passes since that boats actually sunk down sunrise two pm moscow time and twelve hours have already passed rescue operations already on the scene and they'

egyptians take to square again in what they call the new face of the revolution after expectations from their previous uprising with. kills off britain's biggest selling newspaper as rupert murdoch hits the panic button that shuts the music world hearing into phone snooping. and israel braces itself by hundreds of propellants in activists arriving by plane after the aid for to the ships were blocked in greece. has probably taken taken place on the russian markets and trade that's after. both russian indices gains around two percent more market analysis in about twenty minutes in the business program. on the air and online with world news and much more you're watching r.t. . hundreds of angry protesters have started gathering in the current square unhappy that the revolution goals are not being a cheat gyptian activists have been calling for a million people to gather that the former president's trial is pending next month and these are not only reports egyptians believe his regime's legacy is still very much alive. their revolution was hijacked and they want it back egypt's uprising mig

on the left of the israeli political spectrum to say that he's behaving in the same way that the egyptian president hosni mubarak reacted shortly before he was overthrown so nice people here making parallels between what is happening in israel and what happened in egypt it is interesting though that israelis did support the democratic move of egypt chim protesters the city here we are witnessing the democratic move of israelis and just talking to people get people are excited by the fact that so many people are being mobilized across the country with the potential to possibly overthrow the turnout who you know i was going to ask you the more there's the all important mood just looking over your shoulder there we've got cameras daughter grown elsewhere as well bring your views the latest live pictures paula what is the mood there we're just focused on the stage now i mean what are these jobs so you know are they protest songs i can't understand what they're saying if you got a better idea. but they're not focused on space and they populate israeli sunset that is my this is really having a

egyptians are flocking to tahrir square to protest against the interim government which they say stole their revolution for freedom and democracy. cuts for the news of the world britain's best selling newspaper that traded on scandal four hundred sixty eight is killed off toxic tabloid tactics. of pro palestinian activists. profiling. despite when full oil revenues drop just russia's budget gap is expected to increase next year more in business in twenty minutes. twenty four hours a day you're watching our tables. top story now thousands of angry protesters have started gathering in cairo's tahrir square unhappy that the revolutions goals are not being achieved egyptian activists have been calling for a million people to gather their former presidents charges pending next month but there's a nice to know a report suggestions believe his regime's legacy is still very much alive. their revolution was hijacked and they want it back egypt's uprising might have ousted president mubarak but to them he's far from god. we've got through the book the mobile. phone where the taste of freedom was

demo dead shot before angry egyptians as they returned to tashi of square to vent again as the interim leader is who they say stole their revolution. a change of cheated by germany updated greens to three stages weapons stocks he's in the media despite opposing the military offensive from this town to. the all the front page britain's best selling newspaper rolls out but the last time i heard that murder and sacrifice is the title while potok in claims that proposed eretz intensified and. true the one zero one lift all. cheers and tears as a plant is makes the shuttle fleet's final flight and it leaves a black hole for the tons of trades ruined now that nasa is moving out. hello and welcome to the program pieces artie's weekly review writing as you know and we're starting georgia where three high profile photographers have been charged with spying for not releasing claims it has video confessions to prove their guilt but skeptics say the whole cycle straight a's on a witch hunt to score political points. reports not what's being seen as anti russian hype georgia is on a spy role and no