to cross-talk egyptian spring i'm joined by henri sara and in washington he is the founder and editor of mere rhetoric dot com and in new york we cross to stephen slawson ger he's an adjunct fellow at the century foundation i german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump anytime you want and i do go to my friend in d.c. first where is the egyptian revolution stand at this moment i mean look the question is not is there a revolution left it's who has successfully hijacked the revolution it's that the military which seems to be in control is that the muslim brotherhood which for a time seemed to be in control but has stumbled badly in the last few days gratuitously picking a fight with the military gratuitously taking the fight was going to them high said in a matter as it was it no matter how it was it just a matter of time. i mean it's all listen it's. i think that's right we were in a environment where there was autocratic rule and the population wasn't going to take it anymore the question was how long was the transition going to take now ironically by virtue of the fact

i am urging the egyptian government at all levels to respect the rights of all egyptians.d i am urging those who are concerned, not only christians, but also moderates, liberals, secularists, to organize themselves. this is something that i started talking to the tahrir square veterans about shortly after the fall of mubarak, that it has been my experience that when democratic space opens up, when freedom opens up and authoritarian regimes are falling, those who are unorganized will not be successful. how is that for a profound statement? [laughter] but all too often, people who are in the moderate liberal world that don't have the same commitment to organization and follow-through that those whose beliefs are so certain that they know exactly what they are going to try to achieve. there is the religious dimension, at the constitutional inclusive of the dimension, but there is also the political dimension. in a democracy, you have to get out there and work to elect people who represent your views. otherwise, you are going to be sidelined. it is my hope that as we judge egy

>> it broke a taboo and a role for egyptian women. because the common notion for egyptian women or women in the middle east, that they are fragile and in time of conflict they will just be at the back, injured maybe, acting as helpers, nurses, or may be praying for those fighting -- but that was not the case. egyptian women were on the front lines, they shed their blood and paid their lives for freedom and democracy such as men. this actually change to the protesters's attitude in the square. during the 18 days there were no women and men, there were only egyptian. absolutely amazing. it has changed after the 18 days, and it was clear because we have witnessed some cases of sexual harassment after the 18 days when the square was not a war zone anymore and it became a festive hyde park, the harassment when back because people felt like they were at ease and everything was over. but so many women experienced those moments. and i assure you that they are out there asking for it again. >> do you have a feeling, as we would say in america,

first where is the egyptian revolution stand at this moment i mean look the question is not is there a revolution left it's who has successfully hijacked the revolution it's that the military which seems to be in control is that the muslim brotherhood which for a time seemed to be in control but has stumbled badly in the last few days gratuitously picking a fight with the military gratuitously taking the fight on what we need them high said of the matter as it was it no matter how it was it just a matter of time. i mean it's all listen it's. i think that's right we were in a environment where there was autocratic rule in the population wasn't going to take it anymore the question was how long was the transition going to take now ironically by virtue of the fact that i think western policymakers including those here in washington d.c. screwed up by centrally not only declaring themselves to be agnostic between the various choices that egyptians were making but also essential ie being willing to continence a accelerated election in december which liberals in egypt believe. allowed the

"an egyptian american christian who met mrs. clinton on sunday cited recent claims by representative michele bachmann, a republican, quote, that the obama administration is pursuing a closeted pro-muslim agenda." that was in a conversation with a "time" magazine correspondent. michele bachmann, that's the source of the information being used by the protesters in egypt, awesome. but not just her. a blogster sarah ahmed directed a reporter to a paper that said that an american conservative. which american conservatives? it was an episode of a web radio program hosted by frank gaffney, who was speaking with a retired american general named william boykin. yes, the same frank gaffney who once claimed that the new u.s. missile defense logo was smoking gun evidence of barack obama's submission to sharia. when he found out that the logo was actually from the bush administration, he retracted his claim. general william boykin, the guy that george w. bush inexplicably appointed to a position. when "the wall street journal" tried to repor

realizing that he hit an egyptian woman.s really good. >> cenk: that was the least funny prank in the history of mankind. and then he says to her almost rub it in, you know you had it coming. >> you brought it on yourself. >> cenk: i tall you were an israeli woman so obviously i hit you. when you see that it makes your stomach turn. tell me why they will flip out. >> it's actually a big deal. i'm not surprised by the anti-semitism. any egyptian is linked to israel in any way it's the end of their career, whatever industry they're in. especially actors and entertainers. if you're on an israeli television, that's it. >> i knew it was bad but i didn't know it was that bad. apparently they do this every time and the reactions are very similar. >> this is the most violent although another time an egyptian actor grabbed the host's head or producer, and dragged him around the room and kicked him in the head. >> there is a history in egyptian of extreme pranks on shows, not just about israelis, but kidnappings at gunpoint. >> cenk:

remains the dominant force in the egyptian state as it remains today and that the egyptian state which was so discredited under mubarak actually religion and strengthened by incorporating new social forces like the muslim brotherhood of course the brotherhood represents no fundamental break with. egypt's role in the u.s. dominated global capitalist economy or a break with u.s. interests in the middle east. asians are a funny thing out there larry let's just think about this the u.s. of course backed egypt's ousted president hosni mubarak for decades but now they're supporting the uprising that toppled him and subsequently shifted their position a number of times since well they say shifts of allegiance is why they happening. let's understand there was no revolution in egypt state power remains in the hands of the same institutions and class the u.s. . and egypt and as under mubarak. it's just there's a stronger mubarak has been replaced but there were. were remains that the united states and the other players in egypt understand that the mubarak regime can't simply be revived it needs

a tomato hit an egyptian official in the face and several shoes. the secretary of state is now in israel where she just met with the israeli president. she's making only her second visit to israel in the last 22 months. the unrest in egypt, palestinian relations and iran's nuclear program are all on the agenda. >> incidentally, clinton was there in alexandria, which is exactly where that prisoner is that she wants released. it's interesting to see how those negotiations happen and was she able to have conversations about that sfp. >>> here at home, storms are moving through houston, texas, and they have turned deadly. two people were killed in a lightning strike at a soccer complex on sunday. authorities say the three players had taken cover under a tree when the sudden storm just rolled in. police say the lightning strike sounded like a bomb going off. >> they were fierce storms here in new york yesterday. my wife brought the kids to the basement the lightning was so strong overnight. >>> in london, there's a scramble to make sure there's enough s

the egyptian police always kept somewhat control over there. since the fall of mubarak, it's no man's land, if you will. the egyptian authorities aren't taking care of the border like they should be. >> hillary clinton is in egypt, which is why you are there for a previously scheduled visit with morsi. do you think this changes the focus of the visit? what can she do to release these folks? >> reporter: generally, secretary clinton isn't going to have a lot of involvement in the negotiations. obviously, the u.s. wapts to get the americans home as soon as possible. she'll talk to morsi about the elections, the power, the egyptian economy and the u.s. wants to see what the u.s. can do to help the failing economy. also a lot of questions about the party which brought morsi to power, the muslim brotherhood, how they are going to treat women, what they are going to do with other islamist groups like hamas involved in the palestinian territory. there are a lot of questions and a lot of political chaos going on in egypt that she wants to discuss with

and egyptians relations stand right now. >> certainly not good. for 30 years, it is it a close and valuable ally of the united states and israel here in the midge midge. that is not looking sogood. mrs. clinton met president morsi in the palace. just a couple of years ago president morsi was in prison. he advocated a tougher foreign policy view with the united states and israel. the secretary offered incentives and foreign loan forgiveness. but she would want continued acess to the suez and intelligence caninal in addition for morsi doing things internally in his own question. >> i commended him on his pledge to serve all egyptians including woman and minority and protect the rights of all egyptians. >> the thing that the u.s. is scared about is egypt turning into another turkey. turkey was ruled by a military groupgovernment and a key u.s. ally and now slipped beyond anything what anyone would call ally. there was an islamic president that took control and moved it away from the pro western government. if egypt goes that way it is a scary situati

establishment are working in a very fraught situation to make sure the military the egyptian military with which they have deep and long standing ties remains the dominant force in the egyptian state as it remains today and that the egyptian state which was so discredited under mubarak actually religion atomized and strengthened by incorporating new social forces like the muslim brotherhood there was no revolution in egypt state power or means in the hands of the same instant chanson class the brotherhood represents no one the mental break only of. egypt's role in the u.s. dominated global capitalist economy or of great with u.s. interests in the middle east the u.s. remains that dominant power it's trying to maintain a dominance in the new situation with new tactics in the wake of the arab spring as people are rising up against the old order of the us to. me their grip on this region so he's rocket on at three passing korea has successfully blasted off from the bike a new spaceport heading to the international space station for a four month mission to carry out a plethora of scientif

coming up in the program this hour here on two radios on a rampage find egyptian of parties of failing to stem the increasing flow of stolen artifacts from the country. but first the summer olympic games are finally underway in london and while athletes were gearing up to go tough on their opponents police were getting tough the locals around one hundred cycling activists taking part in the monthly mass bike ride were arrested during the games and ceremony they claim to be encircled by police while pedaling towards and then pickpocket offices reportedly used pepper spray as scuffles broke out in oakland show itself though proved to be a breathtaking masterpiece of when the final price tag of twenty seven million pounds in a pick torch was delivered by football superstar david beckham speedboat on the river thames and seven young athletes nominated by british sporting greats the flame to the largest amount of each and. extravaganza culminated with this bomb which displayed. and you can learn about how the queen teamed up with agent double zero seven made a spectacular entrance of the ol

other might actually steer the egyptian economy into a more new liberal direction more to the liking of the united states professor way when the line really really briefly the u.s. also announced is going to send more senior officials to egypt including the defense secretary leon panetta what is going on his agenda briefly if you can. very much to make sure. the u.s. orbit. being a destination for u.s. security assistance and advice and basically to maintain america's down the rule which we've had in each of the past three years. of the university of san francisco thank you the very for the last dance and thanks for being on the program. now as well as all the stories we cover got lots more to of course in the website of tea dot com we tell it every day because we're updating it every day pleather of stories there like these it could be difficult in light of a cigarette in your apartment in los angeles very soon a city officials could be a controversial step to improve public health so mindful in a more. reporting on the extreme measures for the olympics in london as the air force is

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he's moving around the israeli/egyptian border.e's using more than one cell phone which makes it harder for them to track him down, and the weather is very hot in that area and it's hard to pin him down. >> thanks very much. appreciate you staying on top of this for us. >>> in a message posted on twitter friday, the u.s. embassy in cairo said they were in close touch with egyptian authorities doing everything they can to bring about the safe release of the american tourists. it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, ve

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. >> we need to respect the egyptian elections. they fundamental factor. there is significant aid that comes from the united states, both military and nonmilitary. there is the issue of the imf loans and other ways that certainly we would not hold them hostage, but certainly egyptians have to understand that the american congress controls the purse strings would be frankly disinclined if we see some kind of serious breakdown here. do you see my point? >> i do. basically, unless democracy proceeds in a way that congress approves of in egypt, aid to egypt might suffer. >> it might, but you want to be careful how you use that cudgel because it could spark a very adverse reaction with the egyptians and make things worse rather than better. i think our attitude has been correct towards egypt right now. president obama and secretary clinton. we want them to move forward and resolve these issues, but we also have an obligation to our taxpayers as well. >> let's talk about syria. kofi annan said that iran can play a positive role and should there be -- should ther

visit for secretary of state, hillary clinton, meeting with the first freely elected president in egyptiantory. an important visit for the long time u.s. alley run by the muslim brotherhood candidate. a potentially sticky situation for the united states. we get our report tonight from nbc's correspondent in cairo. >> reporter: a scene unimaginable 18 months ago. the u.s. secretary of state seated next to the newly elected islamist president of egypt. the u.s. is watching what happens here very closely. egypt is facing a power struggle between the new president and the muslim brotherhood and the country's military reluctant to give up power. >> democracy is hard and it requires dialogue and compromise and real politics. >> reporter: for 30 years, the u.s. supported hosni mubarak and showered its military with billions of dollars of aid. in return, egypt became a stauch american ally in a region that upheld an up popular peace treaty with israel. now the u.s. is promising to support democracy. even if it means bringing into power islam's political parties who have been for years washington's