again, to be clear, it's often eindicated with the more salacious side of what's alleged to be in the dossier, but it goes beyond that. it was really a documenting of these meetings that took place between trump associates and russians during and prior to the campaign. >> adam, if the dnc and the clinton campaign knew about this, they could have come forward a long time ago? >> right. >> because they denied this for a long time, didn't they? >> i'm not sure. i might be wrong about this, but i'm not aware of them publicly denying they were a source of funding. again, the way this was structured, it's the lawyer representing them that actually pro-cured, assigned the contract, if you will. they were the ones who were engaging with the fusion gps team. and then again, chris steel was being hired as a subcontractor by fusion gps. so the degree to which members of the clinton campaign knew during the campaign that this was going on, that remains unclear to me. obviously later on when we get to november and december, it's pretty clear that they were aware of the work of chris steel because